Why shouldnt prisons be slave camps? Why do criminals deserve the same rights? They broke their contract with society.
Why shouldnt prisons be slave camps? Why do criminals deserve the same rights? They broke their contract with society.
Do you think someone should become a slave for something innocuous like downloading anime or smoking weed?
These things are considered "crimes" in today's day and age.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Prison labor basically is slave labor, but there is something in the 13th amendment that establishes it as something different. I may not agree with everything here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8289 but I cannot support any system of slavery (prison or not), especially since it affects certain groups at a suspiciously higher rate.
Do you even know what prisons are for?Originally Posted by Carnage
Let me give you a hint, they're not to make you feel better by punishing someone for an imagined crime of raping your imaginary daughter.
Crime is not the cause of a problem, it's the symptom.
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Well I can see where youre going with this, in how prisons should rehabilitate the criminal, but not everyone shares that opinion. First and foremost it should separate criminals from society. Then after that, one can debate whether or not it is for retribution (my side) or rehabilitation (Im assuming your side). And youre ignoring the fact that prisons that arent privately run are a huge cost on their communities; Again, even if I shouldnt (although in my opinion I should) feel better about my daughter's rapist being punished, should I feel better about paying for his living expenses for x amount of time, no matter how shitty they are?
@Sapphire: reread my posts.
Laws suck, but are necessary.
While I am not willing to forgive certain crimes, there are those that I don't even consider crimes at all.
Rapists and murderers should be killed off though.
Peace.
It's hard to prove a murder, though. So many people have hastily gotten the death penalty. I'm not sure I believe the amount of innocents (even 1 innocent) that would be killed off is worth it.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Ah, indeed. When I said that, I meant actual murderers and rapists. Proving them belongs to the realm of law, and like I said, they suck.
Peace.
An eye for an eye? This line of thinking justifies the stripping of someone's rights, or performing deeds otherwise deemed wrong, based on the circumstance. Put capital punishment in here too.if you violate the rules of society or another human's rights, why should you receive the same human rights?
If you want prisons to be more sustainable, get them t work for the prison, not hired out to some company for 25c/hr. Once a prison earns any profit, it's broken.
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Yes, it does justify stripping rights, I've been pretty clear about that. And yes, I do believe deeds should be based on circumstance. Personally it doesn't make sense to believe something is morally wrong just because its indoctrinated into us. When I say killing is usually irl, I imply that the person being killed is innocent. I dont believe killing guilty people is wrong (again: murderers and rapists). Yes, I obviously dont think capital punishment is a big deal if the defendant is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty. Most people in this thread so far dont seem to understand the difference between thinking that a punishment system is immoral and thinking that the legal system is flawed. Yes downloading media illegally and using illegal substances is of a different scale, which is why the legality of those issues, and the prison sentences carried out should be reconsidered, not the prison system itself (with respect to those cases).
Again, I've already said this myself, prisons shouldnt be privately run. The prisoner's work should go back to the tax payer/government budget.
Most murders occur between people who know each other, and most often with witnesses. Learned this in criminology class. It's not that hard to prove, the question is what kind of punishment should someone receive for something done in the heat of the moment and without thinking. What are the chances it will happen again, because that's one of the primary reasons for imprisonment, besides retribution.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I agree with this post. I do think that capital punishment as a whole should be abolished in the US, as I also think that even if 1% of the judgments are wrong, it is too high a price to pay. I think another huge problem with our prison system is that a lot of prisoners have mental problems. In fact, it extends to outside prisons (like my former neighborhood). I think a combination of treatment and retribution would be the ideal system, and for those that really cannot function in society, permanent separation from society would be appropriate.
Yea, heat of the moment crimes are tricky. If you were to kill someone that just killed your parents (or loved one), I don't necessarily think you should be executed for that. I am not for violent retribution or Sharia or anything, but it is understandable.
In somewhat related news, apparently California is going to run out of room in all its prisons by next year.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
the system is entirely broken. so it works perfectly to feed itself.
more prisoners, less taxes, less state prisons and post-prison care (social workers, parole officers), more private prisons (outsourced to different states!), who push for harsher laws and minimum sentences.
California will run out of money well before that. And that's not even factoring in a potential big earthquake that devastates the area and costs billions in damage. Enjoy the sunny weather while you can.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
There are around 2 million people in prison within the United states that are on record ( not counting military detention centers and so on) It cost about 23,000 dollars per year per prisoner, according to a 2001 report and that doesn't include whatever health care they are given, maintenance, material, food and all those knick-knacks.
The money has to come from somewhere. The system isn't perfect but it does cost to maintain it. Times are tough.
http://www.quora.com/How-much-money-...-cost-per-year
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/census...aprisonpop.htm
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In Texas, most of our college tuition goes to maintaining state prisons. Not sure about other states.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Too bad we produce most of those prisoners by refusing to spend any money on education.
Texas is embarrassingly bad at educating about 10% of the nation's people.
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not to mention the lack of investment and outsourcing of jobs.
___---------------------------- "THE DROPOUT CREW"--------------------------------________Deblas, IfingHateTonTon, RyougaZell, dragonrage.________
________ we may fuck up alot but we always pull thru.
I was reading about this on the twitter last night: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...ll-street.html
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