Pretty sad...Originally Posted by Animeniax
Oh, I was in the news recently: http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/...aspx?id=194662
Pretty sad...
Oh, I was in the news recently: http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/...aspx?id=194662
I think most hockey fans would know about this. It is pretty sad. I was a big fan of Pavol Demitra.
I used to be a bigger hockey fan until Bettman ruined it with rule changes and the wussification of the sport.
Sadly, I only found out about the plane crash when I was looking up information about the death of Derek Boogaard. He was one of the fan favorite fighters in hockey while he played.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
You know, I've always wondered why passenger planes, with all the safety slides and oxygen masks, don't give people parachutes.
Only problem would be for someone to think it's a good idea to jump out of the plane for fun, but hey... sailors get life jackets...
The first thing I noticed was your name (since I was looking for it), but the next thing was that the author of the article misused plural verbs in that sentence. :PThis year’s theme, “Innovators,” fit with the group’s goal to spark interest in green initiatives among people from a range of backgrounds, said board member Michael Harrington, who helped host the event.
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If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I could see how most people would make that mistake; that nonwithstanding, it was a pretty good piece on the event. People really enjoyed it and got to learn about some cool environmental projects.
America, what's wrong with you?
Riverside County, California To Charge Prisoners $142 Per Day Of Their Stay
my local paper also mentions that some prisons are trying to remove the 'last meal' before executions.
so, what the hell is wrong with that country?
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A lot of prisoners are destitute/homeless so good luck collecting that fee. Of course, if it's a white-collar prison, they could certainly make some money this way.
They removed the "last meal" in Texas just this year because some idiot requested enough food to feed 3 people, then didn't eat any of it before he was executed.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I dont see whats wrong with this at all, why should tax payers be paying for criminals? In all honesty, they should be working off their stay and costs, prisons are a large cost for cities.
Actually it's an amazingly lucrative business that profits from overpopulating itself with minorities
Edit:
I like how most of the other suggestions are blatant violations of human rights. Food? Beds?? Who needs beds? They're just prisoners. They had their chance, amirite?!
The top comment in DBZ's article sums it up pretty well.
Last edited by XanBcoo; Sun, 11-13-2011 at 12:33 PM.
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We can argue as to whether or not the prisoners deserve to be there in the first place, which isnt what Im getting out. Thats a corruption in our legal system itself; I personally dont believe prisons should even be private businesswa, they should all be run by the states and federal government.
My point was, assuming the prisoners are in fact guilty, that they shouldnt be supported on our tax payer dollars for committing a crime. It doesnt make any sense. Imagine a convict rapes your daughter, and then gets sent to prison. How do you feel that you'll be paying for his bed, food, utlities, etc for the next however many years? Cant do the time, dont do the crime; if you violate the rules of society or another human's rights, why should you receive the same human rights? Now obviously there are varying levels of crime and Im not saying all prisoners deserve the same amount of rights stripped away, but I dont think monetarily paying your living expenses as well as the the state back for your crime is vulger.
$142 per day comes out to over $4000 a month. $4000 a month to share a cell and toilet with another inmate, share showers with dozens of others, and a mandated curfew?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
And to pay back the state for the inconvenience of your crime?
Edit: Which you shouldn't have committed in the first place?
If a prisoner has that much money, why not slap them with some hefty fines along with the prison sentence? It makes more sense to come up with a figure based on the damage a particular criminal has done to society, than to just charge everyone an absurdly high rent, regardless of the seriousness of their crimes.
And yeah, good luck trying to get the money out of those who don't want to pay it. What will consequences be? Longer prison sentences resulting in an even greater amount of 'unpaid' rent?
Just doesn't seem like a well thought out idea.
Last edited by Splash!; Sun, 11-13-2011 at 02:20 PM.
the system:
crime happens.
prisoners are worked for private companies.
private companies let go of employes and use inmates.
large companies don't pay taxes. and unemployed people also can't pay much.
budget cuts, both in economic support, and prison budget.
poor people turn to crime. prisons use their inmates as a working force.
"CRIME FRENZY!" headlines in newspapers, legislative actions are taken to make crime less "appealing" - longer sentences, worse conditions.
we have more people in prisons, with less opportunity to get out of the crime circle (less prison education, less psychological help, less social workers).
prisons need money, so the inmates are sent out to work for large companies.
large companies make money, while the blue-collar workers can't compete with prison-work.
Less Federal money, more crime, more prison, less federal money.
rinse repeat for twenty years.
2011 - OWS.
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Paying back whoever you violated is/should be handled in the courts separately from whatever time you're serving. If a guy gets hit with a 10-year sentence for possession of hard drugs or child porn or something, who was inconvenienced that deserves to fine this guy half a million dollars?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Society is inconvenienced when people commit crimes. Is the preservation of our society not worth punishing the criminal for all he's got?
Rough estimate of how much it costs per year to imprison someone (in Texas) is around $40k. So $142/day is fair. If they can't afford that, then put them to work... the dangerous stuff others wouldn't willingly do.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I thought Lincoln abolished slavery around your parts.
Well,:
a.) I didnt want to get into this part of the argument because I mentioned in my second post, this involves the question as to whether or not the prisoner deserves to be in prison in the first place, which is an issue of legality. My point is that I find it foolish to assume it ridiculous that guilty people should have to pay for their own fare, as well as toward the state. The question of what they are guilty for, or how guilty they are, is another matter entirely. Im really just saying that if a person in a hypothetically just legal system is guilty, then he should have his human rights taken away to the extent of how bad his crime is. Youre question is basically asking if the person in that case is actually guilty, and if he should pay a specific amount of money (half a million) for that supposed crime, which is not what Im attacking.
b.) If we REALLY want to be nitpicky about the specific case in your example, I could say that perpetuating the act of producing child porn (which harms the child) and the possibility of harming others is one reason to punish the defendant. While on hard drugs (I dont really buy this at the moment) the only reason I could assume for it to be considered illegal and harmful is the possibility of harming others while under the influence. Again especailly for the latter case, its a question of whether or not it should really be payable by prison in the first place, or just fine-able in the first place, or not even illegal at all. The assumption for all of these is that there is a good reason for why these things are illegal in the first place.
It's not slavery if they owe money to the state... it's working off your debt. Not much different from what everyone else does, ie the rat race, the daily grind. Might as well put all of that idle energy to use, and the prison system can be self-sustaining.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
USA Median yearly Income: 43550$ (source). nearly half of the American people (who worked year round, full time jobs) can't afford to pay back the state for staying in prison.
do you really expect a guy in prison to be able to make that kind of money, considering he gets 0.25$ an hour?
which rounds off to 160,000 working hours (number of hours in a year? 8760) even if the 0.25$ is incorrect, unless it's almost 15$, it's not going to happen.
prisons, by definition, can't be self supporting. slave camps, on the other hand, can be.
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