In the news today

[Sapphire]

WTF did she smack him with?@@??@?@?@?@ Must have been a fucking pole. Ugh, another reason not to ever raise your fist/pole/hand to a tiny child.

[Buffalobiian]

Bare hands, if I understood the article right.

[Sapphire]

She's lying.

[Buffalobiian]

You know how hard you must hit a kid before they get internal bleeding?

I don't :S. (though "smack" and "punch" are two different things. Couldn't the autopsy give a a more definitive clue?)

[Buffalobiian]

It makes sense for them to charge manslaughter when murder fails (especially if the reason was due to lack of intent for killing), but having them both charged at the same time just has a funny feel to it since they're mutually exclusive. (You can't be guilty of manslaughter AND murder for the same death). It's like saying they don't know which one it is, so they'll just put them noth through and test their luck.

While I see what they're trying to do makes sense, it comes off to me as a lack of investigation, or incompetence at investigating whether she had a motive for murder.

[shinta|hikari]

They can't try for manslaughter once the defendant is found not guilty of murder in a trial. Similar charges count as double jeopardy. They have no choice but to do it at the same time.

[Buffalobiian]

I see....

So if I was speeding along this road which had 4 speeding cameras, i can't be given 4 speeding tickets?

Or can I...

[IFHTT]

Yeah you'd only get one citation, as you only committed one crime and can't be guilty of the same crime more than once.


Actually after thinking about it a little more, I'm not sure either. Assuming the cameras are placed apart at various distances down the stretch of road. I would think you would still get one citation.

[Ryllharu]

IANAL, but the reason prosecution goes for a lesser charge is typically lower burden of proof. In the US, since all accused are presumed innocent, prosecution has to prove their case beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. It's much harder to prove 1st Degree Murder (the act being premeditated is tough to prove sometimes) than it is to prove 2nd Degree .

In this case, looking at the court documents, she is charged with two separate counts. The first charge, 2nd Degree Murder, is for the death of her son. The manslaughter count seems to be tied to her failure to seek medical attention after the act.

[Sapphire]

Beating children should be illegal. I'm around little children all the time (six year olds are babies... babies!) and I couldn't imagine beating the shit out of them like some parents do.

Now spanking a cheeky 14 year old? Not above it.

[XanBcoo]

Beating children should be illegal. I'm around little children all the time (six year olds are babies... babies!) and I couldn't imagine beating the shit out of them like some parents do.

Now spanking a cheeky 14 year old? Not above it.

Your opinion alligns with Louis CK's:

[shinta|hikari]

I am not against physical punishment, but nothing that would make the child afraid or hurt. Slight pain is only there to remind them that what they did was wrong, serving as a deterrent. Proper explanation should always come before and after it.

[Sapphire]

Now you got me listening to all these:

[Buffalobiian]

I got hit bad as a kid.

Hard. Painful. But the methods and place were chosen so that I wouldn't suffer from anything like internal bleeding. (flexible material (plastic, bamboo) of perhaps 1cm in diameter, 50cm long.. on asscheeks, thighs, upper arms.) One such infarction in the past was 20-30 of those. I can't remember how many times it actually was. I lost count at around 10. I used to be fully scared of them and found the pain unbearable, but as I grew older I just went "Yep, just go. Hurry up and get it over with. /endure"

I think the idea was to make sure you didn't do something due to fear.. as you'd probably only understand and see why it shouldn't be done years later. I'm not sure where I stand regarding the whole issue, but I wholeheartedly agree about the beating->liar part.

I didn't use a curse word in grade 3, but the teacher (and some students) believed I did, and made me take a note home that required a parent's signature to say they know I'm going to have to sit a detention session. I forged that signature because I didn't want to get hit, rather than bring it up with them and explain that I didn't really do it.

It's only now that I finally realise teachers don'tknow nor check what my parents' signatures look like anyway... >_>.

[shinta|hikari]

I lied to my mom like crazy, but she didn't hit me until I was a bit older, like 13. I think some kids are just liars, like me.

I was hit by my aunts though, because they were the ones who took care of me. They used belts or other things, but I never feared, or disliked them for it. I hated the hitting and pain for sure, but I knew it was my own fault anyway. They never hit me out of anger.

My mom hit me out of anger though. When I was 14, I took the car out and got it stuck in a flood. The flood water seeped into the car. I eventually got back (the car was fine aside from being dirty), she came barreling towards me at the front door with my "arnis" (wooden stick) and started hitting me with it in front of my friends. It was embarassing, but I got over it.

I don't think I will hit my own child though, unless she is ugly. If she was cute, she would be treated like a princess. Boys should be thrown off a cliff.

[Sapphire]

I don't think I will hit my own child though, unless she is ugly. If she was cute, she would be treated like a princess. Boys should be thrown off a cliff.

Oh god forbid shinta has a kawaii daugher.

[Buffalobiian]

Oh god forbid shinta has a kawaii daugher.

Why? He'll shower her with love.

My mum actually started to stop hitting me when I was 13, in contrast. I just got too old for it.

They'd always make me promise not to do it again, and then call me a liar when I do it again? What am I meant to say at a waving stick? No?

[Archangel]

Why? He'll shower her with love.

Oh God...

[Xelbair]

Why? He'll shower her with love.

define 'showering with love' in this case.

[Buffalobiian]

define 'showering with love' in this case.

A picture tells a thousand words. And I'm not typing that.

Just shinta time and a cute daughter. Then you can see for yourselves.



As for the latest news link..

"
Sixteen year-olds need to be focused on their education, future careers, enjoying friendships, acquiring sports or musical skills, and most of all, developing their own personal identities.
They are in no way, shape or form ready to get married to anyone, least of all someone more than three times their age."

Why not? Who's to dictate when the mature marrying age is.. In Australia we can marry when you're 16, regardless of the parents' thoughts on the matter.