That's enough of the off-topic shit.
That's enough of the off-topic shit.
Last edited by Munsu; Mon, 04-02-2007 at 06:47 AM.
But back on the subject: I don't think that this is gaara's sand shell for a very big reason. If it was a sand shell, then the rest of the storyline would be stupid. What, gaara gonna call for help from konoha, konoha troops stake-out and wait for akatsuki? I think the story line would be much easier to write and it would be more exciting if that infact was gaara, because now we'll prob have naruto and co. go on a mission to rescue gaara.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I said I didn't want more of this off-topic shit
Last edited by Munsu; Wed, 04-04-2007 at 10:23 PM.
No, it would make more sense then sending a Genin to rescue a Kage.
I was thinking the same thing as DB_Hunter: if a kage needs rescuing by a genin, then all the villages could be in big trouble if Akatsuki comes to town. I'd imagine the other Akatsuki members are stronger than Deidara and Sasori, so if kages are that weak, Akatsuki could take over the world if they wanted to, instead of having to capture these magical beasts to obtain power.
Besides, you can see in the animation that it's an empty sand shell.
Removed the off-topic shit.
Last edited by Munsu; Wed, 04-04-2007 at 10:24 PM.
Wasn't it stated earlier in the series that the Sand Village/Wind Country was very weak currently? So, I don't know how much you can compare their current situation with other villages, especially ones in the Country of Fire.
Sorry about the off-topic stuff, but if you delete someone's comments in full (like DE's), how do we know what he was talking about so we don't talk about the same thing? I mean, his off-topic stuff might be different than ours.
Anyway, it's true Gaara is a relatively new kage and the Sand village is pretty weak beyond the super 3 shinobi of Gaara, Kankuro, and Temari. I can't imagine Gaara can be compared to Sandaime hokage from the Leaf village in terms of skill, power, and experience, or any of the other kages for that matter. However, Orochimaru did beat the previous Sand village kage, but Oro is really strong so it's hard to gauge that kage's strength. Remember though, Itachi and Kisame together had to flee from a legendary Sannin, so Oro is stronger than any 2 Akatsuki members at least. I'd hope Gaara could at least defeat one of the weaker members of Akatsuki, which is why I think it's a ploy and he hasn't been captured by Deidara. We'll seen soon.
I don't want to sound girly or anything, but who thinks the Temari/Shikamaru coupling is really cute?
Last edited by Animeniax; Wed, 04-04-2007 at 11:15 PM.
I can't be certain, since it was like 3 years ago we watched this shit... So, I'm not sure about the contents of this post.
The Sand Village planned to attack Konoha by their own accord, including the Kazekage, to regain their prestige and their military force, with Orochimaru as an ally. Orochimaru betrayed them by killing the Kazekage, he probably thought this would be the best way to infiltrate Konoha for his goals, so we don't know the details of how he killed the Kazekage, he probably literarily stabbed him in the back with an unsuspecting Kazekage as the victim.
About Kisame and Itachi running from Jiraiya... I don't think you can take that at face value. They reasoned, and I think it's stated, that they had no reason to risk injury/death right now... that there'll be plenty of chances to get to Naruto later when there's lower risk, plus Itachi had already done a bit of his jutsus if not mistaken, so he wasn't in his best condition to fight a Sannin. Plus, you know how Kishi likes those one on one fights... and I think Itachi would insist on it also, so there's really no advantage on there being another Akatsuki. I'm pretty sure that it has been stated also that Oro is weaker than Itachi. I'm not sure if I'm making this shit up, my memory betrays me.
Anyways, my main point is that the Sand Village was already a weak Village as it is since the beginning of the series, and that it has a seemingly weaker Kazekage than the other Kages is no coincidence, simply a depiction of the village.
Now, I still think it'll be interesting to see how the sand shell will play out. I'm still not convinced, but it makes sense for there to be one.
Edit: Oh, and you're forgetting that Itachi is god... no way he'd lose on a 2 on 1.
Oro killed the kazekage and impersonated him. The whole invasion of konoha was his plan, but he used the sand village's struggling situation to rationalize the invasion.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that the Kazekage himself allied with Orochimaru and planned the invasion. Oro simply had some plans of his own, and double-crossed the Kazekage. I'm just looking at wikipedia, and surely seems that's the case.
The Fourth was also the one to join with Orochimaru in his attack on Konoha, hoping to teach the daimyo a lesson and to re-establish the Sunagakure's military force. Things, however, did not go as planned for him; just before the Chunin exam's third stage, where his attack was planned to take place, he was betrayed and assassinated by his ally, Orochimaru, who stole his identity.
You have to be careful trusting wikipedia. Who knows, a guy like me might have written some bs in thereJust kidding, I don't update wikipedia in my free time.
I remember it being like assertn said, where Oro killed the kazekage and impersonated him, then called for war with Konoha. He used the Sand village's poor standing as a platform for attacking a strong village, in hopes of increasing their standing if they won. However, this was all just a diversion, since his real goal was Sasuke and the destruction of his former village.
Watching the preview at the end of episode 2, it's harder to tell if it's a shell or not. Instead of empty blackness in the cracks in the shell, they draw in some gray-brown detail. Still doesn't look like Gaara's skin color under the shell, but it also doesn't look empty like before.
Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru? I'd like to see a deciding battle between these two! I remember them talking about "taking care of Orochimaru later", and the way they said it made it sound like it was no big deal, so you might be right there.
Personally I think they're the only couple in Naruto who has any chance of a relationship developing.Originally Posted by Animeniax
I mean, yeah, we could get an "Epilogue" episode at the end of the series in which Naruto is married to Hinata or Sakura or some bullshit, but Temari/Shikamaru is the relationship which has seen the most development. I like it.
I'm also surprised that Gaara was taken down so easily. I thought they made it a point early in the series that since the Sand Village was small and lacking in military numbers/supplies, they put all their attention into producing above average ninja like Gaara. However, this episode was filled with gawking, useless sand shinobi, who couldn't do much more than fire arrows at Deidara. I get that he was high up, and probably hard to reach, but come on...
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
yeah...you'd think there'd be a second ninja capable of actually reaching deidara.
Although if I recall, the manga made more sense for this, because I don't think any sort of military force had time to assemble to be able to interfere with the fight like they did in the anime. One thing's for sure, Kankuro and Baki weren't actually inside the village during all this. They were just arriving from a mission.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I can't help but be amazed by the quality of this streaming service.
http://stage6.divx.com/user/tony005/...punden-006-007
lols...yeah....and I can think of some awesome examples of why wikipedia is a horrible, horrible source for Naruto information.
The manga never elaborated on Oro's assassination of the kazekage, except for Baki who says something like "Orochimaru....he's been leading us from the start!" Also, the body of the kazekage distinctly revealed that he had been lying dead and decaying in the desert for quite some time before it was found.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
You would think that Oro could get rid of a body better than some second rate thug. Unless the body has to exsist for him to steal the looks? Which doesnt make sense!
-dg-
assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
That or he didn't care.
The sand village never found the body until after it was revealed that oro was impersonating the kazekage, so i fail to see what was wrong with the hiding spot he chose.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Just thought I would mention that, while I don't remember which episode it was mentioned in, Oro used Tera's other favorite character (the bone growth dude, can't remember his name) to kill the Sand's kage and "wished he had him" for the 3rd.
Anyone else annoyed at the constant interuptions in broadcasts this past month or two? I watch Bleach and Naruto, among others, and those two have been interupted at least 3-4 times these past 2 months (and not all had special episodes follow).
This was a great episode. Anyone complaining about the animation in the first half should take a look at Bleach 119. The animation there was horrible in terms of dimensions, not necessarily motion (though in balance with the story line, it was an ok episode). At least both are better than the power point presentation that is Tsubasa Chronicles (the constant monologue in combination with the still images moving across the screen).
-Art
That makes more sense, cos I was watching and thinking, what the hell is wrong with you all? How could they just stand around helpless (that is, since they were all there and witnessing the fight) and do nothing but make running commentary on the fight like a sports announcer.
With the SunaGakure being a shinobi village there should at least exist some fairly competent shinobi (even if they aren't as strong as the other villages) who could do some jutsu to aid Gaara in his fight. I mean come on Baki and Kankuro just by themselves could have offered some more help other than ordering a hail of arrows (eventually with exploding scrolls). I am sure that baki is quite strong even though we have never seen him fight. And after all that waiting for the defensive preparations to be ready, all they had ready was a bunch of catapults?!? Lame!!
I mean come-on, the whole time he was moving the sand shield from over the village they coulda done something seeing that he was hurt. And even when he was falling they couldnt even move to try to help. How useless could they be, even after Gaara had sufficiently weakened Deidara.
Ok enough ranting about the uselessness of the sand shinobi from me. But I guess it had to be that way in order to advance the storyline and make it more interesting.
lols yeah......that also didn't happen in the manga ^^
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
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