I think its a good thing to learn from a pro like Irene, Clare needs all the help she can get. She's not even a half-human half yoma. Learning the flash sword would tip the balance a little bit in favor of Clare. Combination of flash sword of irene and yoki power reading of Teresa is pretty cool.
I wonder if she'll ever get her arm back. Seeing a 1-armed Clare makes me *tear*
um, no?Originally Posted by Ryllharu
In the episode where #2-5 ambush teresa in the hotel, we clearly see teresa doing the flash sword. She's sitting in the chair, irene is standing in the door and they're fighting as they talk. And, in the same ep i believe, irene mentions that teresa can do all the techniques. Shes explaining to one of the other girls why they call her 'teresa of the faint smile' and says something like "her flash sword isn't as fast as mine, and her brute strength isn't as good as yours....*blablabla*". Im 99.9% sure of it, but someone who's archived the eps can confirm.
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In ep 7 @ about13 minutes in we see Irene Flash Swording up a storm in the hotel room where Clare and Teresa are hanging out. Irene claims it'll all be over soon and then we see Teresa suddenly parry a from her strike. Irene looks shocked and then Teresa tells her that Flash sword is useless if it stops flashing. Irene starts again and you immediately see a slo-mo of Teresa parring another strike then they both start moving their hands around really fast. From this I gather that what is happening is Teresa is parrying every single Flash Sword strike as it comes in.
@ 17:04 Irene says to the agility girl "Your agility, Sophia's strength, and my sword swinging are superior to Teresa in thier respective aspects. Teresa is the best because of her unparalleled ability to sense Yoki."
I'd say Teresa was doing what you would call Flash Sword as well, all it is is moving your sword really fast so it can't be perceived by the enemy. She wasn't as good as Irene who was probably the master of it, but since she could predict Irene's attacks she didn't need to be as good as her at it to defend against hers.
The lines you are referring to are Irene's. But you can take it both ways. Irene says that the four of them are superior to Teresa in their own respective fields. Teresa's only asset was her smile and unparalleled ability to sense Yoki.
Teresa could accomplish a facsimile of each of their respective skills, but only because she knew what was about to happen. She could keep up with the agility by moving before the strike, keep up with the strength by parrying appropriately, keep up with the Flash Sword by moving her arm in place before the strike began in order to intercept it.
Teresa couldn't do any of the things they did as well as they do. She merely moved in whatever manner she needed to before they even struck. It's the exact same thing Clare was doing when she dodged the tentacles. It makes it look like she can do whatever the others can, but she's just acting before they do.
That's why Teresa couldn't fight Priscilla effectively (at first). If Teresa could've done the Flash Sword, she would have chopped up Priscilla as easily as Irene took out Ophelia. If Teresa was stronger, she could have beaten her down, if Teresa was as fast, she wouldn't have had any trouble with her. Teresa eventually won their little one-on-one because Priscilla had no experience and wasn't trained (as narrated by Irene again).
I suppose you can take Irene's lines either way, but Teresa was using none of their skills, she was just keeping up.
I have no idea what's the point of this arguement, and why you're so against Teresa's expertise when it's clear, if you rewatch it, that she's not a one trick pony.
There's only one skill in play here, and that's the Flash Sword, the other 2 respective fields are speed and strength which is a general attribute. Just because she can predict, doesn't mean that she can parry every single strike directed at her by Irene, but she did. This is evident by Clare and Ophelia's Rippling Sword. No, Priscilla isn't weak enough to be beat by the Flash Sword, which she became number 2 OVER Irene who is now number 3, for a good reason. Sure Priscilla lacked experience but, Priscilla is compared to Teresa, because they are similiar in many aspects, attributes, and non-use of Yoki (like Teresa). You're not giving Priscilla enough credit.
EDIT - animus beat me to it but ill leave it her anyway.
Um, the way you explained it does make sense in a way, but Im going to have to disagree. As everyone has already explained, keeping up as you say also requires you to be able to do the skill to a certain extent, not as good as the original, but still to a reasonable level. The reason why Teresa had such trouble with Priscilla is because her main skill is neutralized, and suddenly fighting someone whose moves cannot be predicted for the first time got her a bit off guard. But that was eventually compensated by skill and experience.
Even if we can say that parrying appropriately (which was not what she was doing since she was catching blows straight on her sword) and reading ahead allowed her to easily defeat 4 and 5, the flash sword cannot be negated by such means. It is quite obvious that the speed isnt something you can normally achieve, and to keep up with it, the same method has to be used. This is true in any martial art. Just because you can predict the move doesnt mean you can block it if your body cannot keep up.
Of course, as you said, Teresa cannot use the skills mentioned as well as the original members. This means that using them would be quite pointless against Priscilla, who is the current number two and is several levels stronger than numbers 3-5. Using a lower level of flash sword against someone whose youki you cannot be read (and should be able to easily beat the original flash sword) would be stupid.
Peace.
first of all, keep in mind, that priscilla went to her limit while teresa was using barely 10% of her yoki powers (her eyes changed color) and still priscilla couldn't defeat her. She only managed to kill her through a surprise decisive attack when teresa let her guard down. So teresa was faster and stronger then priscilla. irene even says that priscilla can't yet beat teresa, but would be able to in the future.
Second, you talk about how teresa wasn't actually using the flash sword technique, but just read the flow of yoki and moved accordingly? the whole idea behind the flash sword is that it moves really really fast. hence the name flash sword. Reading yoki isn't enough to doge it if you can't physically keep up with the speed. Since she effectively blocked every strike from irene, she must have been able to move her sword just as fast.
Now maybe she didn't have to awaken her arm, and could move that fast with just her own strength.....but the end result is still the same. A super fast movement that can't be seen, aka 'flash sword'.
... rewatching episode 8, a few observations:
- Teresa definitely outclassed over-the-limit Priscilla, and likely even fully-awakened Priscilla. The only reason Priscilla won was the surprise attack.
- Fully-awakened Priscilla seems to want an audience, with the way she basically talks to Clare, walks right by her talking about how she really really wants to go eat some human guts.
- Fully-awakened Priscilla also seems almost sad that the others are going to be completely unable to do anything to her.
- With the damage Irene takes, it's definitely understandable how she lives through it -- if she spent her yoki and consciousness healing her slashed-open neck and and didn't worry about her missing arm. Also pretty clear that the others definitely couldn't have.
They did say Teresa's abilities shine best when fighting a really strong opponent with high Yoki and shes weakest against an opponent who hides his/her Yoki.
My theory is no matter how strong Priscilla would have gotten, her Yoki is incredibly high making it a hell of a lot easier for Teresa to judge the attacks, but unfortunately she was tricked.
The only thing I'm hellbent on is keeping the facts straight. Don't get me wrong, Teresa's definitely one of my far favorite characters, but a lot of you are making her out to be a god. She's not, and wasn't. They made it very clear that she was going to be surpassed at some point. They also made it clear it wouldn't happen then. They made it tragic that at this point she lost only because she became more human.
A large aspect of this show has been that though there are strong people, they all have weakness, all have limits. Don't turn Teresa into some godlike, unstoppable figure. She would have lost handily to a properly trained Priscilla, or probably anyone else who suppressed their aura well enough (in a similar manner to the Clare and Miria fight in the rain).
I'll be out of state for a week or so, so the final word is yours.
I understand your point. Some people DO think that Teresa is god. I personally dont, but she was the strongest claymore we have seen so far, and I think that is what most of the people are trying to say.
And I also believe that a properly trained Priscilla will defeat Teresa, well, if she wasnt so mentally unstable. This is quite obvious since Teresa herself recognized this fact.
But you are definitely wrong on some of your facts, saying that Teresa is only keeping up with the flash sword and is unable to use it herself (doesnt matter how she does it, what matters is that she does), that is my only concern. I also dont agree about your statement about anyone suppressing their youki being able to defeat Teresa. Priscilla was already suppressing her youki to the limit when they fought, and she was number two, and still got defeated. But that doesnt mean that Teresa cannot be defeated by future claymores, one of which may indeed surpass her in the way Priscilla could have.
Peace.
And now the real question, is anyone actually still following what the debate was somewhere 5 pages ago ? Can you stop nitpicking and get back to actual facts, instead of trying to sound smart and intelligent ? All you're doing is sounding like politicians and nobody gets what théy say.
Follow the story, be happy.
Oh and btw, Priscilla is an awakened being..and Clare's objective. Now we know that Clare =\= Teresa , nor close, so stop talking about "what could happen if ..yadayada". It doesnt matter. Clare can't beat Priscilla now, Priscilla's power is unknown as of now. We have no facts about other awakened beings to compare it with, so whý are you discussing it to begin with ???
Last edited by ?igma; Sat, 06-30-2007 at 11:13 AM.
The strongest claymore, was former n°1 male claymore that's settled.
Now, Teressa was strong, but something bothers me ... If all claymore can learn why everyone got only one special ability ?
See .. Clare learns flash sword ... but if this is possible why every claymore can't just learn this thing in their basic training ?
If you'd rewatch the episode, you'd know. Irene said to learn it, you'd need an extremely strong will, and like general know-how of their Yoki limitations.
When exactly was this settled in the anime?
and i imagine its the same for other techniques like the rippling sword, or super fine tuned yoki detection.....its not something you're run of the mill claymore can do
Because this is a thread on the Claymore anime. Where else would we be able to speculate and bounce ideas off each other?
You're reading past the point. They were discussing what would happen if Priscilla would still be unawakened in current time. Which is completely irrelevant.
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