Claymore

[Yukimura]

I don't think we should start pushing DBZ references (and thus derision, since being compared to DBZ never seems to be a good thing) on Claymore just yet. Sure the semi-awakened thing seems to have given Clare & Co more capability, but we only have Miria's speculation to back it up. And in Clare's case at least, the only thing she'd have going for her against another Claymore is Yoki sensing anyway. She's still fairly weak offensively and that hasn't magically changed.

Even if they are all single digit level now it's not going to mean much since the big gulf between 6 and 5 has been introduced as well. Clare may have just jumped over a bunch of scrubs (compared to #'s 1-5), but time will tell if she can take on the boss level Claymores and stand a chance. Obviously she won't just meet one and die, b/c that would be a boring story but look at what happened between her and Miria when they fought, Clare got completely owned then, and there's no reason to think the same thing wouldn't happen if she fought a top 5er who was also suppressing her Yoki.

[?igma]

I dont like DBZ comparisons :P debate ended. Also the reason why I didnt like the twist.

[Inazuma]

Claymore is a pro abstinence show, if you knock yourself out, you'll "awake" and turn into a monster :P

[complich8]

I think it's less pro-abstinence and more pro-tantra. Push yourself to the edge, then pull back, and you can stay there and have a good time for a lot longer >_>.

[Buffalobiian]

power levels..........eh.

I just thought Teresa is the strongest so far because of the attitude of the "men in black."

Back when Teresa was alive, the guy was like "Teresa of the faint smile............" and goes on to say how powerful she was and how she doesn't have to release her powers.

Now when Clare's guy was talking to her about joining the Awakened hunting team, he said something along the lines of "...our current #1 and #2 are fairly strong."

Just didn't get the feeling that Teresa was referred to as just fairly strong.

But I agree; Claymores in general should be stronger as time goes by, but I think your elites are determined more by perfect youma/human matchups and skill more than anything.

[Inazuma]

The guy in black, is half yoma, yoma or did got hurt by a yoma pretty badly from what can be seen of his face.

But if he was some badass half-yoma he could just feel the claymores powers, or the claymores would be able to sense him.

And one other question, why are all claymores cute ? Heh ... guess it's to make cosplaying much more complicated.

Teressa was not just fairly strong, she was just the perfect anti-yoma weapon. As a comparison if a soldier able to see bullet trajectories and explosion radiuses before it even happened existed he would not be just fairly strong.

Now basic scenario, our claymore heroin got to cut her way through up in the food chain.
Get strong -> Kill -> Stronger -> Kill stronger opponent ... Repeat as necessary.

[darkshadow]

.............
We don't know the true scope of Galatea's ability, only that she shares a sensitivity to yoma energy that equals or surpasses Tersesa's......

This is an invalid statement, nowhere has it been said that Galatea has the same ability, she is just "the only one that can sense yoki from this far", which would mean that all claymore can sense yoki, but that she perhaps finetuned it so she can sense moods aswell.
But we don't know if that isn't a general ability either.
Teresa's ability was to read the FLOW of yoki, not simply sense it, her ability is kinda like.. byakugan and sharingan combined, being able to read the flow perfectly, even with the eyes closed, and knowing where the yoki will flow to.
Not only was teresa really strong, that ability made her pretty much invincible, you can't kill what you can't touch.
Galatea would only be able to sense if:
Someone is bluffing, has murderous intent, is scared, is relaxed. etc.. etc..
Their abilities are 100% different.

[Ryllharu]

Now now, don't bring Naruto comparisons to Claymore. They are far from similar.

You say my claim is invalid, but there really isn't evidence to support any of your comparisons either. Teresa read yoma energy. Flow, total, doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, we know next to nothing about what Galatea can do. She was several miles out reading the thoughts of other Claymores by analyzing the way yoma energy flowed through them. We know Yoki can be affected by emotion from the incident in the church as well as Priscilla's Awakening. Galatea reads the Yoki, and perhaps knows what flows correspond to what emotions. Or that's my best guess at how she does it. She told her handler that she was too far out to tell some things accurately. From that, we can guess that she can do more with her ability if she gets closer.

Claymores do everything through the manipulation of Yoki (yoma energy). This was explicitly stated in the first several episodes. They don't get other abilities. Telepathy? Doesn't exist. Claymores gain their abilities through the manipulation, generation, and sensing of the Yoki that yoma and the yoma pieces within themselves create. This is a fact we have been well informed upon.

We don't know what Galatea can do. So I speculated using the facts that we do know.

[BananaFob]

Priscilla was too cute. It's too bad she had to turn to an Awakened Being.

What really bothers me is if Clare actually did drink the blood of Teresa. Unless I missed it, there have been no mentions of Clare drinking Teresa's blood. The images of Teresa herself could possibly just been a memory of how she fought as Clare had witnessed.

Another problem I've reached: If each generation were stronger than the next, wouldn't they be able to beat Priscilla in a few generations later? Although Priscilla has "latent potential", I'm pretty sure her power stops somewhere even after devouring humans. That will make her easier to beat because of the "improvement" of future Claymores.

Based on Raki's actions, emotions, and whatnot, I doubt he'll become a Claymore (as much as I want him to) considering he might give into the feeling of Yoki too much and become an Awakened Being.

[Munsu]

What really bothers me is if Clare actually did drink the blood of Teresa. Unless I missed it, there have been no mentions of Clare drinking Teresa's blood. The images of Teresa herself could possibly just been a memory of how she fought as Clare had witnessed.

So now we are in a Vampire anime?

[shinta|hikari]

The sharing of blood and flesh part was shown with Clare handing over Teresa's head so she can use it to become a claymore.

I agree with Ryllharu completely. Galatea did not just sense moods. She was able to sense youki, and was able to deduce the moods from them. This is not a new or special ability. What is being emphasized here is the sheer power of Galatea to read youki, to the point that she can determine such things.

Heck, even if their powers were different, "100% different"? Now that is a hasty generalization.

[dragonrage]

I think it's less pro-abstinence and more pro-tantra. Push yourself to the edge, then pull back, and you can stay there and have a good time for a lot longer >_>.

compy i had no idea that you were that much of a perv

Anyways I have taken a liking to this anime and the way that it has been put together so far is quite exceptional, even though it might mimic some other anime. It is still unique in it's own right. It has a good feeling coming from it. I am glad that I picked it up.

@bananafob: If you don' mind me asking i would like to know where exactly does it say that each generation is stronger than the next. What i recall him saying is that each generation has it's heros and the current number one and number two are quite powerful.


Also the man in black that follows Clare said that they don't hunt the demons or awakened ones without orders. and also that Prisilla is amoung the strongest awakened being. If the order was giving to take her out they would put up the entire organization up against her. on a "balance". Meaning she is that powerful.

[Ryllharu]

It doesn't say each generation is stronger than the next. *I* speculated that the Organization trains or works on the girls successively better with each generation, as if they were developing technology, better methods, better training (so maybe Claymores strong in Yoki won't be mentally weak like Priscilla was).

Granted there will always be stars in each generation like Teresa and Priscilla, but it seems like the Claymores of present day are stronger overall, by comparing Noel and Sophia (ranked 4 and 5) to the members of Miria's team (6, 15, 22, 47). Miria's team members are special cases, but for supposedly being stronger than Miria, Sophia and Noel came off as pretty generic.

(more damage control from my generalizations and speculations...at least I got quite the discussion going)

[Kraco]

I wouldn't be so sure the Claymores get training much beyond some basic training. All Claymores we have seen so far are wandering from town to town liquidating demons after a request has been made by the authorities and approved by the organization. So, it seems to me the Claymores get some training after they have become Claymores and then they roam the wide world on their own getting better and better or dying in the process. Maybe they pick up a few hints from more experienced or brilliant Claymores during missions where more than one are dispatched to deal with an Awakened being.

The weaker Claymores so far haven't been impressive enough that I'd think they would have a Master's degree from the Department of Yoma extermination. And unless the Yoma are getting stronger all the time (no evidence of that either), then there's no need for the Claymore to get stronger. They are a troublesome workforce in any case because they can suddenly turn into enemies.

The stronger the Claymore, the stronger the Awakened being, it would be reasonable to assume. Furthermore, the power gap Teresa first demonstrated makes it look like there's no linearity in the scale of power. So, it's actually risky for the organization to have powerful individuals, because there's no guarantee even a host of weaker ones can compensate for the gap.

[dragonrage]

I would also like to point out that Teresa only release about 10% of her power (from what she explain on how the transformation works) It would have been awesome to see her at 79%..... That would have been cool, I think.

[shinta|hikari]

Uh, I dont really want to see Teresa all Youma-like and disgusting. Her beauty and power is what makes her the best in my book. Heck, she even got her nickname because of that fact.

@Kraco - agreed. I was not able to mention that point. It would indeed be foolish to continually upgrade soldiers that can betray you at any time.

@Ryllharu - no need for damage control. If people assume that the speculations you give are true or proven in the anime, then its their fault for not paying attention. Its always good to have hypothetical discussions anyway. Your point about Sophia and Noel actually helps the point of the non-linearity of the power between claymores. There are in fact inconsistent power gaps and the like, as seen in the gap between Teresa and everyone else of her time.

[Ryllharu]

Eclipse - Claymore eps 12 (h264)
Eclipse - Claymore eps 12 (xvid)

Title for those who like that:

"The Endless Gravestones (Part 1)"

[Kraco]

A very interesting episode. It had kind of strange musics here and there, but otherwise it was beautiful as well. Not to mention it might cause a time skip a bit later, with the result of Raki getting considerably stronger. Though it's too early yet to really evaluate whether a skip is going to happen or not. Nevertheless, Raki was actually quite badass with his determination and courage in this episode. He's heading for the right direction, no doubt of that.

Well, in any case the next episode(s) should present a deadly battle. I wonder if the dude dealing out missions to Clare knew this was going to happen.

[Yukimura]

Ophelia was excellent, her playful but crazed bloodlust came through really well. And her cherub-like face made it all the more creepy and exciting. Plus the whole backwards decapitation thing...that was just scary.

[Kraco]

Yeah. Ophelia is probably crazier than any Awakened being we have seen so far. And thus far more dangerous. Also a nice way of dealing with the rule of not killing humans: Just don't leave witnesses. Damn, the whole game of cutting off Clare's feet and then putting up the mock fight with Raki... I have to say it's always a pleasure to see crazy villains like this when the story calls for one. It will be extremely interesting to see how deeply the plot will use this whole confrontation as a part of the plot and Clare's development.