So my question is....when is Naruto going to learn a powerful attack that he can use without hurting himself?
Or maybe that isnt what the show is about, it is more about him over coming the challenges of not being able to use the Nine Tails or the Rasengan Shuriken? I dunno, I would just love to see Naruto build as a character with more techniques that he can use that is all!
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assertnfailure (7:40:03 PM): dude....your posts are a bunch of nonsense
Or he can be like "Leave it to me!". And has his insane recovery rate allow him to use it a good amount, yet not foolishly.
Orochimaru, will slowly start to effect Sasuke...Since we know he isnt dead it is unlikely( just as it was unlikely that Sasuke would if he had been taken over ) he will just stay dormant within Sasuke
If Naruto figuresout how to control the 9 Tails chackra a little better, He can use 1 of the 9 Tails chakra Arms to create the Rasengane Shurikan, abd avoid any and all damage to himself
Last edited by Munsu; Sun, 03-18-2007 at 02:15 PM.
if he does use the first tail mode as a shield don't you think that from going one tail the wind-rasengan will go up in as well so maybe it won't be as simple as that...although it is a good thought...but as we've seen naruto can't stay in one tail mode for long...the tails keep growing at a rapid state...so either he needs to be fast and effective or i don't know what....
What I want to know is why the sudden decision change Sasuke made... Before he told Naruto he was willing to give his body to Oro to become stronger. I guess Sasuke is now stronger than Oro, but we don't know if Sasuke was just being over-confident or if he really is stronger. Even if he was, wouldn't he be stronger combined with Oro?
I'm waiting for the explanation to this... Maybe Sasuke's been thinking about what Naruto said... Or maybe not...
Sasuke said in the past few chapters something along the lines of "It is no longer necessary for me to give my body to you, because I am now stronger than you"Originally Posted by Id3aLiStiC
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
didnt he use a clone with the rasen shuriken the second time he tried to get kakuzu as bait? so that idea may just work
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I love how everyone forgets that one of the reasons Sasuke left in the first place was because he was jealous that Naruto was stronger than him.
That's irrelevant. Your reasoning behind making Sasuke the underdog was that he was unable to kill Orochimaru, which is wrong because you don't have any facts to prove that Sasuke was not capable of killing him.
For all we know, what he did with Orochimaru takes more skill. Also, you're assuming that Naruto was capable of killing Orochimaru back then, but then again he did not do it, so we don't know what Orochimaru might've been capable of if driven to desperation. That Naruto was capable of killing Orochimaru? Probably. Did he do it? No. Was Sasuke capable of killing Orochimaru? Probably. Did he do it? No.
From these statements, you cannot conclude that Sasuke is the underdog, especially since you seem to have forgotten that Sasuke seemed to have the upper hand when last they met.
And wasn't Sasuke the one who kicked Naruto's ass back in the end of the First Part of the manga? From my understanding that would make Naruto the underdog after Sasuke left the the city, again making your post above irrelevant.
Last edited by Munsu; Tue, 03-20-2007 at 01:37 AM.
First, I wasn't referring to the argument of who's stronger, but to people saying it's ridiculous that Sasuke could be the underdog. Second, look up INDUCTIVE REASONING. Deductive reasoning isn't the only way to prove a point. Just because something is unprovable, doesn't mean it's unreasonable. It most certainly doesn't make it "wrong." Third, you answering your own stupid questions with answers that don't have any backing doesn't make them right. There's nothing that points to Sasuke being capable of killing Orochimaru. Your idiotic referrence to the FAR past of Sasuke beating Naruto (again, after Naruto became stronger) has nothing to do with now. The pattern is, as in most Shonen series, the underdog switches back and forth. Most likely Sasuke is the underdog right now.
Do you even know what relevance means? By the way you use it, I don't think so.
Last edited by JaySee; Mon, 03-19-2007 at 08:27 PM.
I like how you dismiss my attempts to use facts from the past, but think that your use of past facts are relevant to the discussion. Especially when my use of a past event was to disprove your use of a past event, not to prove something in the present. And I don't need to look up inductive reasoning, I'm well aware of what it is. And looking it up will further strengthen my points on how your reasoning is flawed.
And I'm not dismissing that Sasuke may be an underdog at this point, I was just pointing out how your reasoning is flawed in thinking it was so. Still my facts hold and reasoning are stronger that what you've provided here, and that only leads me to believe that I'm in the right and you're in the wrong.
And I didn't answer my questions with no backing, especially when I'm not stating facts just my opinions which should pretty much be universal for people that have been watching and reading Naruto. Clearly you're not reading what I posted. I never said that Sasuke was capable of killing Orochimaru, I said that he PROBABLY was, and you can see that as an opinion rather than a statement of fact. And along the same lines you yourself have nothing that points that Naruto was capable of killing Orochimaru for that matter, so I have no idea why you bring this up.
Instead of nit-picking my post (unsuccessfully), why don't you show us a valid argument to prove your conclusion because you've yet to do that.
So even if Sasuke is the underdog right now, the argument you've been using to support your conclusions of him not capable of killing Orochimaru can't be more flawed.
Last edited by Munsu; Mon, 03-19-2007 at 09:03 PM.
I find it amusing that we're being hypothetical about matchups between Naruto/Sasuke and Oro...when we've seen the 4 tailed naruto fight against oro AND these last two chapters where sasuke beat oro both physically and mentally.
Wasn't it glaringly obvious that in both scenarios, oro was easily capable of dying?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Orochimaru's body was also not in very good shape in both fights. If he were in a skilled, fresh body I don't think he would have a problem with either Naruto or Sasuke. He was basically laying on his death bed when Sasuke broke through his door.
yes, very good point Q-Bert.
edit - the part about Oro being on his deathbed that is.
hey let's not forget...not all fights begin with the fighters at their best right...so who knows if oro was in his best he still could lose by sasuke or naruto...also with naruto having sasuke in his mind and sasuke having itachi in his mind...well i don't think either is at his peak......
well, if the 3th was at his peak he would have owned oro, but that doesn't matter just as the fact that oro's were on his deathbed.
deathbed or not, sasuke won, naruto probably wouldn't be able to take on oro anyway, but that's just speculation and it's all up to kishi, he decides.
maybe....although I'd think that sauke overpowering oro in oro's own dimension was a greater display of strength than any physical matchup between super powers in the series.
Also, the snake-like form is oro's ultimate physical form, which sasuke defeated. 4tailed naruto never even saw oro's final form.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
this is true but kabuto said oro was on the verge of dying in the next couple HOURS so there was obviously a big difference when he fought naruto
even though 4tails naruto didn't see oro's final form...let's not forget naruto made the black chakra ball that oro said himself it was an one hit kill...he made it easily and i believe he could create another one just as easy...another thing is that naruto can't be hit in 4tails mode...remember the sword that killed the third?also naruto was just 4tails how many numbers are there till 9 i believe 4(i'm not counting 9 in so from 4 to 8 we have 4 numbers)so naruto could win oro if he had time and was not interrupted...but for sasuke to win him in his own dimension...that's something naruto surely cannot do...
Oh shit I just realized if Naruto goes 4 tails the kyubi might use the new jutsu naruto learned. Can you imagine how deadly it will be....... Also has naruto used the "Jutsu" jiraiya told him not to use I don't think he has
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