Naruto: Shippuuden Episode 3

[Genma]

This episode was pure garbage. It really makes me realize how much better the manga is in comparison to the anime.

The animation was terrible, the dusk shading burned my eyes, the filler parts were irritating, and a lot of the characters looked super retarded. Sakura looked like a duck and Gaara... oh jesus, I can't even describe how messed up he looks.

To top that all off, Deidara's voice actor doesn't really fit to what I expected. It should be more feminine or something, not some husky voice saying "oooh I love art." The Star Wars music is almost too funny to be true as well.

I can't take this anime seriously right now. In my opinion, they're basically just butchering a good manga and it's Rurouni Kenshin all over again -- just fifty times worse.

If you think otherwise, you either don't read the manga or you've been brainwashed by years of even shittier fillers.

Hopefully next week won't suck as bad.

[darkshadow]

@ darthender
Err... that's exactly what she does >_>...

[Narasho]

Another possibility is that Atatsuke was made of of 9 of the most powerful criminals who were determined to get tailed beasts. And that Orochimaru was the weakest person in the group.

Then Itachi shows up and Atatsuke is all, "Well, there's 10 of us now and Oro, you're the weakest, so no tailed beast for you."

I find it very hard to believe that all 9 members of Akatsuki are stronger than Orochimaru. I'd guess he would be in the middle in terms of power, (this is completely guesswork) he himself said Itachi was stronger than him, but I think Itachi is probably one of the stronger members of Akatsuki. Or at least in the top half.

Does Akatsuki have a leader? I thought it was a gathering of more or less equal people seeking a common goal (whatever it might be).

I guess I always assumed because they traveled in pairs but there were 9 of them that the 9th guy was the leader. (Maybe that guy used to travel with Orochimaru) Then there was that guy who told everyone to go finish their missions in the next 2 and a half years, who I assumed to be the leader.

[Midnight]

The animation in this episode was pretty good. But otherwise, it pretty much sucked. There were too many flashbacks. It was also pretty stupid to bring up that sasuke illusion.

[Assertn]

1) Gaara aka "one tail" and Naruto aka "nine tails"....
It's pretty much unanymous that kyubi would be stronger than shukaku, but yes Gaara is probably much stronger than Naruto. I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with training (because well, who could train Gaara to control his sand?). This has to do with the type of seals they have for their demons. Gaara's seal grants his demon greater access to him, thus allowing for the passive defense and instinctive sand control. Naruto's demon has like, practically no access to Naruto except in times of vulnerability, whether it be extreme emotion or serious injury.

2) Strength vs Rasengan....
Under normal circumstances, you should be able to defeat an enemy just as easily with a kunai as with any of the advanced assassination jutsus, however there are circumstances where sheer power is needed. When Tsunade fought Kabuto and Oro, would her punch have been able to inflict as much damage to Kabuto as Naruto's rasengan did? The rasengan does more than just break some bones, it's like a hollow-point shell, where upon impact it expands and inflicts massive area damage throughout the enemy's body.

3) Oro's strength among Akatsuki....
I think Oro could take Kisame.

[DarthEnderX]

I find it very hard to believe that all 9 members of Akatsuki are stronger than Orochimaru.

Yeah, I do too. But wouldn't it be awsome if they were!

[BananaFob]

Maybe not, DarthEnder, that would make them overpowered. If Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, then when Itachi and Kisame entered Konoha, they would have been able to kill everyone at that time except for maybe Jiraiya because when Orochimaru invaded Konoha, he needed the support of his Sound ninja to help him.

I found the episode to be quite a tease though. Nothing great happened, and those flashbacks really do prove that Naruto might be changing "nostalgic-dattebayo!" as his new phrase.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

[QUOTE=AssertnFailure]1) Gaara aka "one tail" and Naruto aka "nine tails"....
It's pretty much unanymous that kyubi would be stronger than shukaku, but yes Gaara is probably much stronger than Naruto. I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with training (because well, who could train Gaara to control his sand?). This has to do with the type of seals they have for their demons. Gaara's seal grants his demon greater access to him, thus allowing for the passive defense and instinctive sand control. Naruto's demon has like, practically no access to Naruto except in times of vulnerability, whether it be extreme emotion or serious injury.

If this is the case and the tails represent the strength, then how do they choose who gets what? Does the leader get the nine tails and it go down in rank from there? Or did they pull names from a hat? -dg-

[XanBcoo]

ok so here are the 3 technique
Chidori: require decent amount of chakra and fast moving speed(something naruto and sakura both lack) because unlike the Rasengan and Sakura Punch the Chidori is a piercing stab rather than a really powerful hit, it wouldn't be very effective if you can't execute it at an extremely high speed.
Rasengan: require a huge amount of chakra (sasuke and sakura doesn't have this) and very good chakra control in order to execute.
Sakura Punch: require perfect chakra control (sasuke and naruto can't control it that well) in order to focus chakra at the exact point in your fist.

each of them learn a technique that benefit from their strong point, saying one is useless would be pointless because not everyone has perfect chakra control, a large pool of chakra or fast moving speed.

Ok...but, the Chidori doesn't actually require speed in every situation. Sasuke used it on Naruto while he was standing still, and still managed to impale him. It's just as effective when used as a simple jab, or punch. Same as Rasengan or Sakura's attack. All three do the same thing.

2) Strength vs Rasengan....
Under normal circumstances, you should be able to defeat an enemy just as easily with a kunai as with any of the advanced assassination jutsus, however there are circumstances where sheer power is needed. When Tsunade fought Kabuto and Oro, would her punch have been able to inflict as much damage to Kabuto as Naruto's rasengan did? The rasengan does more than just break some bones, it's like a hollow-point shell, where upon impact it expands and inflicts massive area damage throughout the enemy's body.

I see what you're saying, but ideally shouldn't either attack be a lethal blow? I guess I'm working under the assumption that when any ninja has a good window for attack, it wouldn't really matter which attack was used, as long as it kills or incapacitates the enemy. In which case, Naruto's use of the Rasengan (in the fillers at least) seems pretty useless since he already has the chakra control needed to focus it all in his hands.

[Assertn]

If this is the case and the tails represent the strength, then how do they choose who gets what? Does the leader get the nine tails and it go down in rank from there? Or did they pull names from a hat? -dg-

I'm not implying that the order of power for the demons is ranked by the number of tails, its just that the nine tails is known to be the strongest of them.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I'm not implying that the order of power for the demons is ranked by the number of tails, its just that the nine tails is known to be the strongest of them.

Well you are implying that they are taking the stories of these creatures and using them exactly as they were told in folk tales. Which may not be the case, it may just has been a building ground for them to base the plot off of...what now biz? -dg-


Edit....Fine I do think that Nine tails is stronger than Shak....but still! MEANIE!

[DB_Hunter]

I'm going to have to disagree with you guys about Akatsuki not having a leader. It makes no sense to me for all these ninja's to come together and not have been pulled in by a specific call that originated from someone. I mean, does it really seem realistic that once Itachi left Konoha he saw some weird looking dudes dressed up in funky coates wandering around in pairs and thought to himself "hmm, just killed my clan, I could use the company and a new coat"?

No, I think Akatsuki has a leader and that leader has a specific objective. This is backed up by that ep where all the members are told by that one dude to go and complete their missions before the fillers started. What the objective is and who is the leader, I don't know as I don't read the manga. But it simply does not make sense to me for all these uber powerful ninjas to be all chummy with each other, especially as they are all criminals anyway.

As for the Oro being the weakest in Akatsuki, I don't think so. At the very least we have seen that he could at least take Kisame. I mean, Asuma was putting up a fight with him (although was not faring to well) and Kakashi was able to pretty much match Kisame at the very least. And we know that unless Kakashi has been training to get a lot stronger in the 2 and a half years that have passed, he is weaker than Oro.

[Assassin]

Ok...but, the Chidori doesn't actually require speed in every situation. Sasuke used it on Naruto while he was standing still, and still managed to impale him. It's just as effective when used as a simple jab, or punch. Same as Rasengan or Sakura's attack. All three do the same thing.

Not true. Rock Lee explained during the garaa/sasuke fight that the chidori is just a simple stab and can be easily countered. So it doesn't work as a simple jab or a punch. You need the speed in order to quickly inflict damage on the enemy, otherwise they can just dodge or counter. This is also why the sharingan is required to properly do the chidori, so one can see the opponents move as he tried to counter and adjust accordingly.

The rasengan and sakura's super strength can be used in combination with other jutsu's or taijutsu, but the chidori can't.

As for the leader, i also think that there is one man running akatsuki. However he's probably not a leader in a "im the guy in charge" sense like the kage's. Seems to me like hes the one who started the orginization like DB_Hunter said, and thats why the others listen to him. Its not that they're his subortnates, but rather hes the dude with the master plan, and they're following his lead for thier own benifit

[Assertn]

Not true. Rock Lee explained during the garaa/sasuke fight that the chidori is just a simple stab and can be easily countered. So it doesn't work as a simple jab or a punch. You need the speed in order to quickly inflict damage on the enemy, otherwise they can just dodge or counter. This is also why the sharingan is required to properly do the chidori, so one can see the opponents move as he tried to counter and adjust accordingly.

No, lee said that the head-on dash IS what makes the chidori easy to counter.

[Kraco]

As for the leader, i also think that there is one man running akatsuki. However he's probably not a leader in a "im the guy in charge" sense like the kage's. Seems to me like hes the one who started the orginization like DB_Hunter said, and thats why the others listen to him. Its not that they're his subortnates, but rather hes the dude with the master plan, and they're following his lead for thier own benifit.

Well, that seems quite reasonable and likely. After all, if they do have a solid plan they are following, no matter how simple, then it practically needs to have originated from the mind of one person. But like has been said, these people are renegades, who left their villages, so it's not likely they would just join another "village" with strict leadership.

Maybe not, DarthEnder, that would make them overpowered. If Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, then when Itachi and Kisame entered Konoha, they would have been able to kill everyone at that time except for maybe Jiraiya because when Orochimaru invaded Konoha, he needed the support of his Sound ninja to help him.

That makes little sense. So, if somebody is stronger than Orochimaru, he would suddenly be so strong that he could take on the whole world all by himself? Ehheh. We have seen Itachi has one of these ultimate attacks, but we have also seen he gets tired pretty fast when using it. So, in practice it means he can defeat pretty much any single or few tough opponents (including Oro), but then he's too weak to really continue and must withdraw for his own good.

[DayoftheDante]

Yeah. Itachi could kill just about any SINGLE character that has been introduced. But he's not geared for mass devastation, he's like the perfect assassin. You throw enough bodies at him at once, he's gonna die. The Jinchuuriki on the other hand, are walking nuclear weapons. It's the reason Orochimaru wanted Gaara to go apeshit during his attack on Konoha, one of several layers of attacks that he put together knowing that some were bound to fail. The chakra control part of Orochimaru's summons were never clearly explained. But including those, plus Manda, his own attacks, and his ability to deceive followers, he's better suited to fighting droves of people.

As damaging as Sakura's hits appear to be, remember that they utilize her limited chakra pool. How much of Naruto's chakra do you think he's utilizing for each rasengan? Sakura's attacks have a much lower damage ceiling than what the rasengan is gonna do.

I'm so happy to be looking forward to episodes again.

[Kraco]

I don't actually right away remember any indication of how much chakra an average rasengan will consume. We saw Naruto's training results when he was trying to master the technique in time to face Tsunade in the city of the fallen castle. And it looked like he had created rasengan hundreds of times. Not like Sasuke's few chidori per day. So, I would say rasengan consumes much less chakra than a chidori. Possibly less than Sakura's monster strength. It needs to be remember rasengan is highly controlled, unlike chidori which seems very chaotic. Chaotic force will annul some of its own power by interference. Much of rasengan's effect is due to the rotational energy which we can assume will save a lot of chakra, because it means less will depend solely on the mythical chakra energy itself to affect the target.

[JaySee]

Where is it said that Gaara's sand is linked with Shukaku? I don't think that's ever been said. Gaara DID however say the sand was a gift from his mother. Maybe it's his bloodline limit from his mother's side? Maybe that love symbol on his face is a seal for the sand?

The Kyuubi is the strongest because it's 9th, not because it has the most tails. 9 is the number for abundance.

[DarthEnderX]

You need to pay more attention because it's been said a million times.

The sand is Shukaku trying to protect its host, just like how Kyuubi regenerated Naruto. Because if Gaara dies, Shukaku dies.

The whole thing about the sand being Gaara's mother is just what Gaara thinks sometimes because Gaara is batshit insane.

And Gaara put that love symbol on his face himself. Seriously, you need to go back and watch Gaara's childhood flashbacks.

[XanBcoo]

No, I think Akatsuki has a leader and that leader has a specific objective. This is backed up by that ep where all the members are told by that one dude to go and complete their missions before the fillers started. What the objective is and who is the leader, I don't know as I don't read the manga. But it simply does not make sense to me for all these uber powerful ninjas to be all chummy with each other, especially as they are all criminals anyway

Y'know, if you actually watch the episode, you'll notice that their objective is stated and that no one member is telling the others to do anything. Going off of AonE's translation:

Member 1: Last time we met like this was 7 years ago when Oro left (implying they are a loosely organized group)

Then the others talk about Sasuke. And then:
Deidara: Don't rush things...hunnh. We only have 3 years. We'll kill Oro eventually. More importantly, will we all be able to complete our tasks? (tasks being the operative word. Again It's logical to assume from this that Akatsuki is a loosely organized group of rogue ninja acting independently, only with a common goal.)
Other member: Yes, our objective is to obtain them all, including Kyuubi. (No orders are given at all, he's simply affirming what Deidara asked and summarizing their objective, y'know...for the viewer)

So if you want to assume anyone is the leader, you'd have to assume it was Deidara, because he's was the only one speaking even remotely authoritatively in that conversation. I don't see where anyone is getting the idea that one member alone is giving out orders to the rest.

@Assassin: Like Assertn said, Rock noticed that Chidori could be countered easily because of the speed at which Sasuke was moving. It probably helps running while using Chidori, because as an assassination attack, it is loud and you'd want to move quickly and effectively, but we have actually seen Chidori being used on Naruto while Sasuke was standing still. The speed isn't required.