I rewatched the episode (and also saw the Deidara scenes an additional 10-ish times! "Art... is a blast!" - bitch!) and I guess when I think about it I can see why some people were annoyed. Also I found it strange that so many scenes lacked music. There was like this weird silence going on.. maybe it's just me...
I liked this ep, but to many ppl bitch about the animation and such, the animation was still very good ( i think most of you people mean the art ).
I watched kakashi using taijutsu like a million times, and it still feels great, prolly one of my favorite fights in all of naruto so far.
Also i thought the tailed beast were from Chinese folklore brought to japan or something?
1-9 tail has nothing do with it's power, 8 tails is just as strong as 9 tails, and 5 tails doesnt even have .... well tails ( well im not sure if it was 5 tails or not, 1 of them didn't have tails).
As far as I know, Orochimaru was in Akatsuki before Itachi, when Itachi joined or shortly thereafter Orochimaru left. Or maybe they both joined at the same time, but i'm pretty sure Orochimaru joined before Itachi.Originally Posted by DB_Hunter
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I just looked for the episode where Orochimaru mentions how he originally wanted Itachi. It's episode 81 at 7:38 approx. The context is right after his failed destruction of Konoha: "If I could've gotten ahold of Uchiha Itachi to begin with, there would not have been a problem. But that is an impossible dream now. He is stronger than me! That's why I left that organization." Then, in episode 135 right before That Which We Do Not Speak of (2 years of fillers) an Akatsuki member (the leader?) mentions Orochimaru leaving the group: "The last time that we all gathered like this, was seven years ago, when Orochimaru left the group."
So, I couldn't find anything that specified whether or not he left it right as Itachi joined, but I would think that Itachi would've joined about 7 years before this, right after murdering his clan and abandoning Konoha. I guess that's what I had put together before. I think it's clear that he didn't join Akatsuki to get Itachi though, since he left it 7 years prior.
9 tails is immortality in Japanese folklore. Anything less than 9 is mortal. I don't know what relevance that has to the nine-tailed fox, though.Also i thought the tailed beast were from Chinese folklore brought to japan or something?
1-9 tail has nothing do with it's power, 8 tails is just as strong as 9 tails, and 5 tails doesnt even have .... well tails ( well im not sure if it was 5 tails or not, 1 of them didn't have tails).
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The relevance is that the 9tailed fox has unlimited power, just like in the folklore, this is how it bested 8tails, it grew tired.
The whole thing about this is confusing to say the least but you are correct in your thinkingAccording to some fans, the "Legend of the Tailed Beasts" is an epic story from Japanese mythology which Naruto author Masashi Kishimoto draws from to create the tailed beasts in his work. It appears, however, to be an example of internet-based fakelore which originated on the Chinese internet.
The veracity of the legend breaks when it is cross-referenced with non-fandom sources on Japanese folklore. For example, the isonade, which is held to be the three-tailed beast in this account, is in fact equipped with only one large, hook-covered tail, and the "houkou" (actually a Chinese creature called penghou), named as the five-tailed beast, has no tail at all.
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If sakura can quickly destroy ground and punch through tree without having to make a clone and increase her power level like naruto, doesn't that make rasengan pretty much useless? Unless naruto has increased its power and can destroy cities with one blast..
Hey I was just wondering is the guy whose composing the new Shipuudden music the same composer who created the tracks for the original series?
Wow...and I thought that the fillers were over. Seems like they put alot of unnecessary stuff in this ep that didnt need to be there. Alas, I am glad to see some new semi-manga driven activity. So lets see some Explosions in the Sand! And I did see the rock symbol on that guys head band. So I am thinking that it is Rock! Rock Rock! -dg-
thats like saying, "if you can use a sword to stab some guy in the heart, doesn't it make chidori a useless assassination jutsu?"
Just because you can do something 2 different ways doesn't make any one way more or less useless then the other. the super strength is usefull overall, and it fits sakura cuz shes an average ninja. shes not super quick like lee and doesnt have chakra blocking powers like neji, so being able to break someones skull is a handy trick. As for naruto, he has his limitless chakra which means he can use jutsu's freely, so he doesn't need super strength. instead of one punch that feels like a thousand punches, he can actually deliver 1000 punches. and if those punches just happen to make the opponents stomach explode, all the better for him.
I don't like people defending this episode "just because it's not filler". It should be pointed out that three quarters of this episode was either a flashback to episode 5, or completely made up. Very little of this episode actually came from the Naruto Part 2 Manga. In fact I just checked, and there were only about 12 or 13 pages of manga used in this episode.
Does Akatsuki have a leader? I thought it was a gathering of more or less equal people seeking a common goal (whatever it might be).
Thats what i thought too. However, whenever there are powerful people combined there is always someone who tries to take control. There may not be a leader in all senses of the word, but there could be someone whose opinion is valued more than another's and therefore gets things on his agenda done sooner than the others. I think them having a leader would take away from their "coolness." Right now they are a bunch of bad-asses who do almost whatever they want b/c they are so damn strong. If they had a leader, then they would all just be strong pussies who do what the "man-in-charge" tells them to do. At least thats how i see it.
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Another possibility is that Atatsuke was made of of 9 of the most powerful criminals who were determined to get tailed beasts. And that Orochimaru was the weakest person in the group.
Then Itachi shows up and Atatsuke is all, "Well, there's 10 of us now and Oro, you're the weakest, so no tailed beast for you."
And then Oro is all like, "Fuck!" And leaves.
I enjoyed this episode a lot, and I thought the flash backs were great and didn't feel that it was draggy at all. The new stuff not in the manga was a real bonus too. On the whole I'm just really glad that the anime is back on track once more, and I'm looking forward to the next episode.
"Our hearts are full of memories but not all of them reflect the truth. The heart isn't a recording device. Even important memories change with time. They warp or fade, leaving us with but a shadow of what we hoped to remember." 天の道を行き、全てを司る。これは僕の世界。
I don't think having a leader would take away their "coolness". Infact I would say you need one as a necessaty, since you need to be able to direct such a gathering of power for a specific purpose. Otherwise they could always be arguing and never get anything done.
This doesn't mean that the leader is the most powerful one or something. Remeber being leader doesn't mean its all glamourous, you have to be able to tend to admin type crap also (though I can't quite think of what kind of admin would be required by Akatsuki).
Well I believe the density of the flashbacks is only high right now because it's so convenient to do so. We have a re-match of the bells contest, so I guess it's only natural. I for one, would expect there to be less of the flashbacks in the future.
We don't actually yet know the purpose, so we don't know how complicated or simple it is. From what we have seen so far, the Akatsuki dudes are just moving around in pairs doing little things, if anything at all, like observing Naruto and performing a half-hearted attempt to kidnap him. So, if their ultimate goal is pretty simple as well, they don't really need a leader to coordinate things. In fact, not having a leader would ensure they wouldn't fight so much with each other, because nobody would (seriously) think he should be the leader and somebody else not. No power struggle, that is. And simple things can be agreed on whenever they have their meetings.
Well, like I said, that of course assumes whatever they are doing isn't so complicated it would require a leader.
I think, for once, I agree with Mizuchi.
The whole attack-by-forcing-lots-of-chakra-into-your-hand thing has gotten ridiculous. It was a novel concept when it was introduced with Chidori, but now that Naruto and Sakura can do the exact same thing, just in different ways, I'm seeing a serious lack of originality. Perhaps I'm not thinking this through, but I honestly see no reason why Naruto should try so hard to make an enemy spin around, when he could just cripple them in one hit. Your 1000 punches thing makes no sense to me because Sakura's attacks and Rasengan are one in the same. They have the same effect, delivering a powerful hit by forcing chakra into the hand. Rasengan just has the added bonus of making the enemy...spin (also the extra effort on Naruto's part to actually create the thing using a Shadow Clone). Unless he has found some way to improve it (perhaps making it more explosive, or even finding a way to make it a projectile attack), then Naruto is just wasting time by making the Rasengan when he could just quickly punch using the exact same amount of chakra. Same force, similar effect, quicker execution.
I do agree however that Rasengan has its uses. There might be a case when he would need to use it to break through a field of chakra (like against the Chidori, or something), or use it as Jiraiya did the first time as a non-lethal attack. And when I actually think about it, that's pretty much the only times he's used it in the anime that haven't been filler material. So I guess I'm really just complaining about how the fillers have ruined the Rasengan, making it nothing more than a flashy punch.
Edit: I also agree with Kraco. It never occured to me that Akatsuki had a "leader" and I don't think they'd ever operate under one simply because of their rogue nature. The fact that there's 9 just means that someone's walking around without a partner - perhaps due to Oro's leaving of the group.
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<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
ok so here are the 3 technique
Chidori: require decent amount of chakra and fast moving speed(something naruto and sakura both lack) because unlike the Rasengan and Sakura Punch the Chidori is a piercing stab rather than a really powerful hit, it wouldn't be very effective if you can't execute it at an extremely high speed.
Rasengan: require a huge amount of chakra (sasuke and sakura doesn't have this) and very good chakra control in order to execute.
Sakura Punch: require perfect chakra control (sasuke and naruto can't control it that well) in order to focus chakra at the exact point in your fist.
each of them learn a technique that benefit from their strong point, saying one is useless would be pointless because not everyone has perfect chakra control, a large pool of chakra or fast moving speed.
Yeah, I'm a little dissapointed in how sakura's strength works. As a medical ninja it would have made sense if she was using her perfect chakra control to strenghthen her muscles instead. Doing it for just an instant for maximum strength but not so much that it damages her muscles like Lee does when he opens the gates.
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