The 4th could've been chosen as the succesor or favorite before he got the title. They also showed that he ran away after being discovered doing his experiments by the 3rd. Either way, it was before the 4th died and Naruto was born.
The 4th could've been chosen as the succesor or favorite before he got the title. They also showed that he ran away after being discovered doing his experiments by the 3rd. Either way, it was before the 4th died and Naruto was born.
If Sandaime had heard rumours of his pupil doing such experiements, I think he would've insisted on going.
How do you know it was before Naruto was born?
It seems obvious to me that Sarutobi (looking too young to be retired) was still Hokage leading the ANBU when he caught Orochimaru.
I think it played out like this: Orochimaru wanted to be Hokage. Sarutobi said "No way you sadistic freak!" Orochimaru got caught and ran away. Jiraiya was too much a perv and Tsunade had gambling problems so they were bad candidates. Then Sarutobi picked the 4th as his successor.
The genin exam clearly shows Orochimaru doesn't know who Naruto is. If he was in the village when Naruto was born, he would know Naruto.
Can you look at other peoples baby photo's and know it's them?
I think it was also said that 10 years ago, Sarutobi could've been a better match or beaten Orochimaru when they had their fight. So he might've still looked pretty fresh back then, 10 years does a lot.
What the heck does your question have to do with anything?
Anyways, they didn't fight when Orochimaru ran away.
In the fight that Sarutobi died in, it was said that he could've beaten him or been a better match if he was 10 years younger or something along those lines.
The Kyubi incident and the time that Orochimaru ran away is 10+ years ago.
Orochimaru not knowing who Naruto is, means nothing considering Naruto would've been a baby when Orochimaru had left, and the question is relevant.
Can you look at someone's baby picture and know it was them today? No, you can't.
Hence why Orochimaru didn't recognize Naruto, but found out who he is.
What the heck does 3rd wanting to fight the Orochimaru 10 years ago have to do with anything? Your argument is fallacious.
Orochimaru would know Naruto by name if he was in the village during the incident, not facial recognition. Not only that, someone who's constantly spying on the village and knows about Sasuke would've investigated Naruto and the Kyuubi if he had any clue about it.
Last edited by JaySee; Wed, 02-21-2007 at 09:12 PM.
Yup, kAi's right about that one. Furthermore, I think the jutsu Jiraiya forbid Naruto to use isn't transforming into 4tails because that is already triggered by anger. The jutsu Naruto knows, is probably once in a lifetime thing.
Originally Posted by JaySee
You are the one that brought up that he was to young looking to be retired.
Orochimaru running away, the Kyubi incident, these events would've happened around the same time, the only question is when, before or after.
I think you need to take a critical thinking course or something to learn the basics of logic. You're all over the place kAi. The whole wanting to fight him 10 years ago thing has no connection to when Orochimaru ran away.
Anyways, due to the reasons I've already said, it looks as though he ran away before the Kyuubi attacked.
jaysee, i think kai is right... the time Orochimaru ran away was also the time the third hokage has already known the secrets orochimaru has been doing, and that was 10 years ago. i remember the monkey king told the third hokage and blamed him for not killing orochimaru at that time. and then the attack on konoha by the kyubi happened 12 years ago, the time naruto was born, so its safe to say that the kyubi incident happened first before orochimaru ran away
Well, I just re-watched episodes 72-79. You guys are totally wrong. It's spelled out he left over 12 years ago when he kills the 3rd. He says right at the beginning of the fight, in AnimeOne's translation: "It has been ten and a few years since I left the village..." That means at least 12.
Not only that, Orochimaru knew nothing of the sealing technique.
Episode 69 clearly shows the Kanji marking of 4 on the 3rd casket. Plot hole I guess. Unless maybe the shinigami was in there w/o Orochimaru knowing since he CLEARLY left the village before the Kyuubi attack and he CLEARLY doesn't know how the 4th died.
Last edited by JaySee; Thu, 02-22-2007 at 01:59 AM.
okay.. im sorry JaySee.. i just read Oro's bio and timeline at leafninja and i found that it was 14 years since he left the village.. im sorry for the wrong conclusion
I have a question now after re-watching the 3rd's death. How the heck did 4th use this technique? Did he carry Naruto on his stomach so the shinigami's hand would go through him as well? How the hell did he stop the shinigami from taking Naruto's soul? Why the hell did he have to put it in Naruto instead of just let the shinigami eat it? HOW THE HECK DID HE SUBDUE THE KYUUBI IN THE FIRST PLACE TO DO THE TECHNIQUE?!?!
cuz he's the fourth.... and i remember them saying the kyuubi was much too powerful or large for the shinigami to completely take so they had to seal it in naruto or something like that.
or perhaps i read it from somewhere.
These have all been brought up back when it first occurred in the Anime....it ended up being a lengthy discussion that ultimately led nowhere. You're better off waiting and seeing if Kishimoto ever elaborates more on the jutsu.
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14 years when? 14 years from the beginning of the series? 14 years since the final fight with Sarutobi? 14 years after the time skip?
Because at the start of the series the Kyuubi incident happened 12 years ago. At the fight with Sarutobi it was 13 years ago. And after the time skip it would've been 15 years ago, almost 16.
I do think Orochimaru left before the Kyuubi arrived, but I don't have the facts to back it up. And I think what Kai was bringing up is that the argument and logic you guy's been using are flawed to make the the assumed timeline factual.
That Orochimaru didn't recognize or know Naruto is irrelevant. He knew enough about him to screw with Naruto's kyuubi chakra.
Guess what? If what you're saying is true, then Orochimaru should've been around when they Kyuubi came, as evident with what I posted earlier. So, Orochimaru should've left the village at least 13 years ago when he faught Sarutobi, and still it would be cutting it close.It's spelled out he left over 12 years ago when he kills the 3rd. He says right at the beginning of the fight, in AnimeOne's translation: "It has been ten and a few years since I left the village..." That means at least 12.
Last edited by Munsu; Thu, 02-22-2007 at 11:25 AM.
you know there are months in years.
.noname.silent... I clearly took that into consideration, so read my post carefully.
noted. didn't read for a second time, first time i read it sounded like you didn't consider months in it (in regards to the quoted Jaysee's post).
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