lol, you're no fun.
But yes there are other insignificant countries with there training school for security details and what not. But there are only 5 major and Recognizable ones. i.e. you don't have a kage your not a hidden ninja village.
edit: Once again my apologies DS, has shown me the light. I guess you can't really argue with a die hard fan. Sorry all.
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Orochimaru was otokage, but it wasn't recognized as by the 5 main countries, simply cause, there will always be only 5 kage. Representing the 5 elements.
i think there are more than five hidden villages. even with akatsuki's 9 members, they represent a hidden village, right?No, I stand firm that there are only 5 hidden villages. Even in the fillers it was mentioned.
was orochimaru a kage? i dont think so... coz if he was, then it would be simplier for konoha to take down orochimaru as he is in konohas bingo book for doing kinjutsuOrochimaru was otokage, but it wasn't recognized as by the 5 main countries, simply cause, there will always be only 5 kage. Representing the 5 elements.
Konoha ( or any of the other villages ) wouldnt know who the "otokage" was, since it was a new village, also i looked it up, and it seems the fillers introduced another kage that wasn't recognized either "hoshikage", this seems to me that there are many other "unofficial" kage's.
well what do you expect from fillers....anyway.....let's see what happens next...i really like this arc
Erm....I'd have the question the validity of that. There are only supposed to be 5 kages...
Other villages can have leaders, but they aren't technically kages
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yap saw that... that is in the hidden star village... in the star village arc fillers.. they called thier leader as hoshikage... so technically based on your research... there actually is an otokage as the leader of the sound village... thanks for the brilliant research..
also.. note that in the earlier series... they only introduced the 5 great villages and so they named the 5 kages... but as what the third hokage has said that each village is led by a kage. so naturally, with regards to darkshadows research, Orochimaru is the Kage of the the sound village...Erm....I'd have the question the validity of that. There are only supposed to be 5 kages...
Other villages can have leaders, but they aren't technically kages
SandOriginally Posted by dragonrage
yep you were right there were more sand ninjas that took part, I apologies about that, but like i said before ALL hidden villages participated. you can see evidences of this in episode 23 9 minutes 15 seconds or so.
Rain
Grass
Waterfall
Leaf
Sound
No Cloud, no Mist and no Rock
You fail my friendly Dumbass.
The DeadLast has spoken.
EDIT:
The five Kages:
Mizukage - Mist
Hokage - Leaf
Kazekage - Sand
Tsuchikage - Rock
Raikage - Cloud
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Isn't the sound village just a temporary thing so that Oro and his 3 ninjas could enter the Chuunin exams?
I don't think there is a sound village anymore? Or it has been abandoned by Oro.
First off Hoshikage was filler so it doesn't really matter. Also I remember vaguelly that they were struggling to be seen as an equal to the other great villages. This might indicate that outside of the village nobody sees their leaders as hoshikage, similar to sound village where Oro isn't seen as an hokage in the eyes of the other big villages.
Makes sense. The sound village IS just a single mansion in the middle of nowhere...right?
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
But i guess, Orochimaru created the sound village just for konohas destruction purposes and nothing else. thats what i think about sound village
What research might that be? Googling a fansite that's just as creditable as any other random viewer?
Nowhere has it ever been stated that Oro considered himself a kage. Not to mention, that when a person is given a kage title, the prefix of the title matches the country, not the village. Hence "hokage" because "ho" is fire, as in the Country of Fire. If there were a kage of the sound village, it wouldn't be otokage. If we go by the fillers, which I think claimed the sound village was in the bird country, he'd be the bird kage.
They acknowledged the existence of many hidden villages, but only 5 great villages that have kages, so naturally, in spite of what some ass-clown that updates narutosthebest.org says, this has absolutely nothing to do with Orochimaru.also.. note that in the earlier series... they only introduced the 5 great villages and so they named the 5 kages... but as what the third hokage has said that each village is led by a kage. so naturally, with regards to darkshadows research, Orochimaru is the Kage of the the sound village...
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If you recall the crap star country filler, that annoying boy was trying to become Hoshikage and make his country strong so that the Hoshikage would be recognized as an official kage. So officially, there are only 5 kages.
Well the fillers have nothing to do with the story so the only "official" things are the things that happen in the story itself.
And no, the fillers can't be considered something they were doing during the 2 1/2 years because Naruto is in those fillers and we all know he left to go training with Jiraiya.
Compared to the real world situation it seems likely the five kages and their countries are like the (permanent) UN security council members. So, there could be any number of other countries, villages and their ninja leaders, but it doesn't change the fact those five remain as the biggest players in the international theater. Possibly for some historical reasons.
Again compared to the real world situation those ranks are like military ranks. While all well-established and civilized countries have quite strict education and exams for gaining certain military ranks, they are, in the end, all up to those individual countries. So, in some banana republic you could gain the Captain's rank just for being the nephew to some General. Still, those ranks would be totally valid. Even if that person wouldn't actually stand a chance against a Captain of some better country. Like I said earlier, they have little meaning outside of bureaucracy.
Well, what you said could be true for the five big countries. They could have regulations preventing summary promotions.
And again I dont think those fillers just goes out to fill episodes, Yes they might be some annoying episodes that doesnt give Naruto any credit. but they also have some connection to story line. Only that those fillers are not whats in the Manga story... So basically, the author creates some stories which doesnt alter the whole story (the manga) and put it as fillers. so again.. the Hoshikage was an unofficial Title.
And also... what i meant by the otokage was not that the official thing.. and besides.. Orochimaru was the one who founded the sound village. So it will suffice to say that he had proclaimed himself as the kage for the sound. Just as the Shodai Hokage to the leaf village. Only that.. Otokage is also an unofficial title.
Actually Rice Country. And I believe this part was canon... just can't remember where it was mentioned. Rice Kage... err...
Hyourinmaru... Kishimoto did not write anything about the fillers...
And continuing what Kraco was telling Narasho... the Chuunin exam can't be the only way to get the Chuunin Rank. Like I said before, not all the villages participate in one. The ones that do so are 'allies'. Remember Sand was an ally before they invaded, and Sound was a new village asking 'friendship' as a front to attack.
The old enemies of the Leaf, like Rock, didn't participate that time. So if the Chuunin Exam was the only way to go up a rank then Rock wouldn't get Chuunins that year.
Like Kraco said, every village must have its own way to do so. I mean... during the Exam we saw only one Genin became Chuunin, Shikamaru. Now three years later, everybody else in the Rookie 9, minus Naruto and Sasuke (unknown), plus team Gai and Gaara's team are Chuunin or higher.
Ugh, that's pretty insulting, i don't google fansite -_-", neither did i do any brilliant research or whatever, and no it IS land of the sound not rice, or bird or whatever, oro renamed land of rice to sound when he took over, it is now officially land of sound.
And like i said, he is not a kage simply because:
1. there will be only 5 kage
2. he is a criminal
But technically he would be the Otokage, since the kage is simply the leader and the strongest ninja in the hidden village of a country.
Also about fillers, filler events, chars and jutsu's go into the databooks aswell, so they become official.
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You say you're insulted for being accused of making groundless statements, then follow up with another groundless statement? If you're so insistant on the accuracy of your contributions, then why not list your references?
Nowhere does it say the sound village lies in "the land of sound," and just as ryougazell pointed out (in a creepy knows-too-much-about-the-fillers kinda way), the fillers specifically declared that the sound village lies in the country of rice in the first arc after the sasuke chase.
Also, how does oro being a criminal exclude him from a title like kage? "Criminal" is a very relative concept, because you could also consider the mizukage as a "criminal" from konoha's perspective, as they are opposing forces.
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