Justice, For my limited knowledge that is the only true end for a man of his past actions.
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Justice, For my limited knowledge that is the only true end for a man of his past actions.
I'm in the don't care category, whether he's dead or not has little bearing on my life, but since I believe the world is over populated I'm glad there's one less person wasting resources.
From a moral standpoint, he's obviously not the only person to do what he did and the bulk of those like him will probably go unpunished but since there is no shining beacon of truth and righteousness in the world that can pass judgement on all the tyrannical despots we'll just have to make due with the US government.
And Carnage the US didn't execute him, a bunch of Iraqi's with funny necklaces decided to execute him. We just went in and took the guns away from most of the people who would have killed the necklace wearing people before they could pass judgement on him.
I've heard it's a good thing.
Supposedly there's footage floating out there on the interwebs, but I can't be bothered.
That made me laugh. However, I recognized that quote way too soonOriginally Posted by Kraco
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As for Sadaam, I don't want to say "don't care", but I find it hard to pick a side on the matter. I'm perpetually on the fence about the death penalty. I do believe it was morally "wrong" to hang him, but he no doubt deserved his punishment. Deserved it a hundred times over.
It's over now though. He's dead and I won't worry about it too much. The world is no doubt a much better place now that he's gone anyway.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
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Justice, but that's as far as I'll go seeing as I really don't care about it.
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
I voted justice, because come on, if you put him in prison he's likely to escape the way Iraq is going nowadays. Putting him to death puts an end to his government once and for all, and the Iraqi people really need that. Hence why they voted to execute him. He definitely deserved execution (he gassed his own people deliberately - mustard gas is a horrible way to die), but it does feel more like we executed him, not the Iraqis.
@Assassin: He's lucky to be hanged. Traditionally executions in Muslim nations are public beheading - he got off easy in that respect.
Being hanged was the only way he didnt want to be executed in, due to an extra amount of humiliation and disgrace being associated with it. (Atleast that's what an article i read said)
it ain't pretty...
Cellphone camera recording of the execution
you also must be a registered youtube member over a certain age to view this particular video. There are other ones out there, stuff broadcast on TV and that, but this is what I've been told is "the real" leaked recording.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
It ain't right, death penalty seriously ... We're in 2007, we're supposed to be the most evolued self conscient being in the universe. And what ... Rope + Hasty Trial + Hatred = Justice Justice ? Don't kid me ... Revenge ... maybe ... or maybe worst, occidentals silencing the old man. Ok, the guy was "Evil", killing people and such ...
But "We" did support him, selling weapons, technology, ...
To superpowers the man was an embarassing person, not a threat (Military speaking), not a "I-Gotta-take-the-man-down-for-democracy-and-human-rights".
Just guess what would have happened if Saddam had an A-bomb or decent weaponery ...
No invasion, no embargo, no International indignation, ...
" The Saddam Evil Dictator is slaying people for fun in his counrty, we gotta take him down, bring a rope and some missiles ... "
" No can't do ... He got some Massive Dest... err ... We just cannot barge in a sovereign state like that, if you got a complain ask the UN "
It's no matter of justice anyway
Powerfull Third Party + Greed + Paranoid + Weakened state + Unpopular leader * Crimes = Irak-like scenario.
The result ? More Ennemy Combattants ...
"Man gimme some ... Extra clips, gotta avenge the old man, don't hang the representation of my country."
I don't mean that Saddam's vanishing isn't a good thing, I just say, when you bring the shit elsewhere, unless you suppress all witnesses, the shit will come right back, amplified.
Come on ... No need of the "World Police" we need a mediator.
We all die eventually anyway, just because every dictator who commits atrocities isn't put to trial and executed doesn't mean one of them can't be.
I know that he deserves to die ( killing the Kurds, the war with Iran with chemical weapon etc...) but killing some one does not solve the problem plus it is unethical. I don't think that if he was in prison he would run away. The prison would be heavily guarded by the Americans soldiers or you can send him to Guantánamo Bay prison until the situation in Iraq gets better.
Morally I'm opposed to the death penalty, but the poll asked if it was "justice". If you go by the "eye for an eye" code that most of the world's justice system operates on, then yes it was just. If he were put in prison, I'm guessing that the Iraqis would want to hold him. And didn't some former government minister (indicted for much less serious crimes) just walk out of a prison guarded by Iraqis - twice?
Anyway I'm opposed to the death penalty on religious grounds but it was justice by the world's standards.
I wouldn't call it justice. He got hanged after a single trial, and there were plans to have several more for the various war crimes he committed. Granted, people want justice swiftly done rather than 10 trials that all end with the same result and last a total of 10 years.
I would have preferred he go to the gallows (or whatever various methods they might employ) after receiving a dozen or so consecutive death sentences. But people don't want to see justice carried out 10 years from now, they always want justice right now. There really wasn't any way out of it, but without due process of having each trial, which he rightly deserved and should have stood trial for, is it really justice?
Well, in the end, different countries, different concepts of law.
They sould have had buried him alive then hanging him.
"Life is hilariously cruel" by Bender
Universe? Probably not. Planet? Probably. But just think, a mere couple hundred years ago, the most "civilized" civilizations on the planet and the religion of "love and forgiveness" tortured and killed thousands of people for their refusal to adopt their beliefs (ie: the Inquisition). A hanging death is at least mercifully quick.
More to the point, if he had been left alive, someone would have killed him anyway. Why do you think he was living in a hole? Hiding from us? Not so much that as hiding from his opponents when we broke his power.
Even more to the point, his trial and his execution were both orchestrated and played by Iraqis. We took away his power and arrested him, but they're the ones who decided whether, when, where, why and how. So there's a certain element of "not our fault" in that.
I'd rather see him hanged in a state-run execution (even an unprofessional one like the one he got) than shivved in a prison camp though.
A little incoherent here. But you're right, we did indeed support him once. In retrospect, it was a bad idea. Our participation in the Korean war and Vietnam was also probably a bad idea. And our arming and training Afghanistan to fight against the Soviets... just as bad. But again, while the US deposed him, we didn't execute him. His own people did that.Don't kid me ... Revenge ... maybe ... or maybe worst, occidentals silencing the old man. Ok, the guy was "Evil", killing people and such ...
But "We" did support him, selling weapons, technology, ...
To superpowers the man was an embarassing person, not a threat (Military speaking), not a "I-Gotta-take-the-man-down-for-democracy-and-human-rights".
Incoherent rantings aside, the current conflict in Iraq was something of an inevitability. The reason Saddam was so successful in ruling Iraq was that he built what amounts to a personality cult around himself, and followed an approach of modernization to try to unite people under a modern standard of living. The mere process of invading invalidated much of that modernization, and deposing the iron-fisted dictator in an environment rife with factionalism certainly seeded the current situation to bloom into a lovely bloody war.(incoherent rantings removed)
Come on ... No need of the "World Police" we need a mediator.
Iraq doesn't need a mediator. They need a dictator to sweep in, improve lives, and crush opposition to him. Much like Saddam and the Baath party did for a quarter of a century.
It's a nice high-minded ideal to think that democracy works everywhere. But it doesn't. Mediating conflicts doesn't work when all involved parties have no faith in the mediation process and are unwilling to compromise. When none of the participants is willing to give the slightest bit of ground to the other, and perceives the other as being the same way, it's just not going anywhere.
Last edited by complich8; Wed, 01-03-2007 at 07:27 PM.
Note : "We", I was thinking about the French Governement, that used to sell every second hand weaponery to Iraq (And Other countries).
if you don't trust the prison system, it doesn't mean you need to kill the criminals to make sure they don't commit crime again.
What happened to Saddam isn't justice, it isn't even close to it, but it's probably the cloesest thing that we'll see in this situation.
not that it'll do any good, five years from now we'll be missing him, but going into iraq was still the right thing to do, becuse one day, after Iraq gets in order (under the rulership of some other dictator) and falls again, the Iraqi people (A false state, by the way, we'll have to wait and see which national groups emerge in the next few years) will have a decent soceity, that will be good both for them and for the rest of the world.
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