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    Ah... so since Voldemort shares Harry's blood then wasn't Harry perfectly safe in the last duel? If Voldemort managed to land a spell on him (ignoring the Elder Wand) then he'd still live yea? I don't recall any explanation towards why accepting death would allow him to return; Dumbledore just says that's how it is.

    The problem is that with that logic, Voldemort shouldn't have died either since he has the same blood... so I guess he was just sent to that white dreamy area and couldn't go back because he wasn't expecting to die.

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    Yea, it kind of doesent make some sense, because if your own spell backfires on you, it can still kill you, hence the "golden flames incident". However, it could be possible that since both the elder wand and the wand harry had were rightfully his, that the reflected spell could harm voldemort , even with the protection.

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    By the way I was just wondering if any of you could explain this from when Harry "died" and was at "Kings Cross" before talking to Dumbledore.

    He recoiled. He had spotted the thing that was making the noises. It had the form of a small, naked child, curled on the ground, its skin raw and rough, ayed–looking, and it lay shuddering under a seat where it had been left, unwanted, stuffed out of sight, struggling for breath.
    He was afraid of it. Small and fragile and wounded though it was, he did not want to approach it. Nevertheless he drew slowly nearer, ready to jump back at any moment. Soon he stood near enough to touch it, yet he could not bring himself to do it. He felt like a coward. He ought to comfort it, but it repulsed him.
    “You cannot help.”

    Who's the child...Is it there for Dumbledore to tell Harry he cannot help those who have died? (as the child is a dead abandoned baby?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoskiddo
    By the way I was just wondering if any of you could explain this from when Harry "died" and was at "Kings Cross" before talking to Dumbledore.

    He recoiled. He had spotted the thing that was making the noises. It had the form of a small, naked child, curled on the ground, its skin raw and rough, ayed–looking, and it lay shuddering under a seat where it had been left, unwanted, stuffed out of sight, struggling for breath.
    He was afraid of it. Small and fragile and wounded though it was, he did not want to approach it. Nevertheless he drew slowly nearer, ready to jump back at any moment. Soon he stood near enough to touch it, yet he could not bring himself to do it. He felt like a coward. He ought to comfort it, but it repulsed him.
    “You cannot help.”

    Who's the child...Is it there for Dumbledore to tell Harry he cannot help those who have died? (as the child is a dead abandoned baby?)

    I'm pretty sure that was the piece of Voldemort's soul that was mixed in with his. I think its a small child to show voldemort's emotional immaturity or something...but i'm pretty sure it represents voldemort's piece of soul.

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    agree with Rockmanj. That image of the 'pseudo-baby Voldemort' reminded me horribly of the 'demon child' in Berserk... ugh...

    Also, I'm still a bit hazy on exactly why Voldemort was still alive after Nagini got sliced up by Neville, as he'd already 'killed' the Horcrux in Harry and Nagini was his last piece... probably from all that dark magic that gave him his body back in the first place...

    Good question about how Harry could come back from the dead like that, which I'm still not sure I fully grasp. Dumbledore suggested that it was because Harry accepted death before the duel, but maybe it was because he had all three Hallows? I believe the ending duel was a result of both Voldemort's and Harry's new wand (Draco's) giving their allegiance to Harry.

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    Finished the book yesterday, and wow... excellent book... Now if I only had time to re-read the full series...

    Masa:
    Voldemort had 6 horcruxes + himself = 7 Parts of his soul.
    Diary, Locket, Cup, Diadem, Ring, Nagini and Himself.

    Voldemort didn't know that his soul had ripped yet another part, creating an eight piece... thus there were 7 Horcruxes + Voldemort.

    That is why when Neville destroyed Nagini, Voldemort was still alive...

    Diary - Harry with Basilisk fang
    Ring - Passed to Dumbledore's hand... destroyed by Snape's Killing Curse?
    Locket - Slashed by Ron with Gryffindor's Sword
    Cup - Basilisk fang by Hermione
    Diadem - That wierd fire spell by Crabbe
    Nagini - Slashed by Neville with Gryffindor's Sword
    Harry's Horcrux - Killing Curse by Voldemort
    Voldemort - Rebounded Killing Curse

    Heck... Crabbe helped bring down Voldy...

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    i guess neville did indeed kill voldemort...in a way..huh

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyougaZell
    Ring - Passed to Dumbledore's hand... destroyed by Snape's Killing Curse?
    Actually, in the "prince's tale" chapter, it's implied that Dumbledore used the Gryfindor sword to break the ring, which Dumbledore found in the Gaunt shack. Then he was tempted to wear it to see his dead relatives again. Hence dead arm.

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    Hmm... I thought the blackened hand was because of Voldy's Soul... but I guess it was the curse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augury
    Ah... so since Voldemort shares Harry's blood then wasn't Harry perfectly safe in the last duel? If Voldemort managed to land a spell on him (ignoring the Elder Wand) then he'd still live yea? I don't recall any explanation towards why accepting death would allow him to return; Dumbledore just says that's how it is.
    that may be true, that harry was perfectly safe. but probably since harry didn't know it, he was willing to accept death, and because of that courage his wand was able to win. and i don't think his acceptance of death allowed him to return. just that instead of automatically surviving, he got the choice between life or death. i could be completely wrong though. it'll take a few more reads to figure out completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Augury
    The problem is that with that logic, Voldemort shouldn't have died either since he has the same blood... so I guess he was just sent to that white dreamy area and couldn't go back because he wasn't expecting to die.
    well, no, lily died to save harry, not voldemort, so voldemort wasn't protected. he was just harbouring harry's protection with him.

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    i was pretty sure Dumbledore got his hand messed up by trying to wear the ring, rather than in his attempt to destroy it. some kind of counter-curse / safety precaution on Voldemort's part...as Honoko said.

    so it's 7 Horcruxes (other containers for the soul) plus Voldemort. That was what was bugging me, because Voldemort, upon dying originally (in his attempt to kill Harry) was able to remain on Earth because of his Horcruxes, then taking up residence in Quirrell and, well, you know the rest... But I'd just assumed that Voldemort was completely supported by the Horcruxes, and that he would instantly die when the seventh and final one was destroyed.

    finally, i'm still confused about Harry surviving and whether or not he was in actual danger when fighting Voldemort in the Great Hall, at the very end. It does seem that Voldemort's killing curse rebounded back onto him (once again, as 17 years ago), but if that was due to Harry having all three Hallows (including being the rightful owner of the Deathstick (what a bad name...), despite Voldemort actually holding it)... or if the spell rebounded on Voldemort from Lily's protection.... I'm still not sure.

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    Quote Originally Posted by masamuneehs
    finally, i'm still confused about Harry surviving and whether or not he was in actual danger when fighting Voldemort in the Great Hall, at the very end. It does seem that Voldemort's killing curse rebounded back onto him (once again, as 17 years ago), but if that was due to Harry having all three Hallows (including being the rightful owner of the Deathstick (what a bad name...), despite Voldemort actually holding it)... or if the spell rebounded on Voldemort from Lily's protection.... I'm still not sure.
    Harry survived because he was the rightful owner of the Elder Wand.

    "Harry saw Voldemort's green jet meet his own spell, saw the Elder Wand fly high, dark against the sunrise, spinning across the enchanted ceiling like the head of Nagini, spinning through the air toward the master it would not kill, who had come to take full possession of it at last."

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    The following while not on the book, are considered spoilers because they refer to things that were cut of from the book.

    Rowling said her original epilogue was “a lot more detailed,” including the name of every child born to the Weasley clan in the past 19 years. (Victoire, who was snogging Teddy — Lupin and Tonks’ son — is Bill and Fleur’s eldest.)

    “But it didn’t work very well as a piece of writing,” Rowling said. “It felt very much that I had crowbarred in every bit of information I could … In a novel you have to resist the urge to tell everything.”

    But now that the seventh and final novel is in the hands of her adoring public, Rowling no longer has to hold back any information about Harry Potter from her fans. And when 14 fans crowded around her in Edinburgh Castle in Scotland earlier this week as part of TODAY’s interview, Rowling was more than willing to share her thoughts about what Harry and his friends are up to now.

    Harry, Ron and Hermione
    We know that Harry marries Ginny and has three kids, essentially, as Rowling explains, creating the family and the peace and calm he never had as a child.

    As for his occupation, Harry, along with Ron, is working at the Auror Department at the Ministry of Magic. After all these years, Harry is now the department head.

    “Harry and Ron utterly revolutionized the Auror Department,” Rowling said. “They are now the experts. It doesn’t matter how old they are or what else they’ve done.”

    Meanwhile, Hermione, Ron’s wife, is “pretty high up” in the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, despite laughing at the idea of becoming a lawyer in “Deathly Hallows.”

    “I would imagine that her brainpower and her knowledge of how the Dark Arts operate would really give her a sound grounding,” Rowling said.

    Harry, Ron and Hermione don’t join the same Ministry of Magic they had been at odds with for years; they revolutionize it and the ministry evolves into a “really good place to be.”

    “They made a new world,” Rowling said.

    The wizarding naturalist
    Luna Lovegood, the eccentric Ravenclaw who was fascinated with Crumple-Horned Snorkacks and Umgubular Slashkilters, continues to march to the beat of her own drum.

    “I think that Luna is now traveling the world looking for various mad creatures,” Rowling said. “She’s a naturalist, whatever the wizarding equivalent of that is.”

    Luna comes to see the truth about her father, eventually acknowledging there are some creatures that don’t exist.

    “But I do think that she’s so open-minded and just an incredible person that she probably would be uncovering things that no one’s ever seen before,” Rowling said.

    Luna and Neville Longbottom?
    It’s possible Luna has also found love with another member of the D.A.

    When she was first asked about the possibility of Luna hooking up with Neville Longbottom several years ago, Rowling’s response was “Definitely not.” But as time passed and she watched her characters mature, Rowling started to “feel a bit of a pull” between the unlikely pair.

    Ultimately, Rowling left the question of their relationship open at the end of the book because doing otherwise “felt too neat.”

    Mr. and Mrs. Longbottom: “The damage is done.”

    There is no chance, however, that Neville’s parents, who were tortured into madness by Bellatrix Lestrange, ever left St. Mungo’s Hospital for Magical Maladies.

    “I know people really wanted some hope for that, and I can quite see why because, in a way, what happens to Neville’s parents is even worse than what happened to Harry’s parents,” Rowling said. “The damage that is done, in some cases with very dark magic, is done permanently.”
    Photos by Andrew Kandel for TODAYshow.com
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    Rowling said Neville finds happiness in his grandmother’s acceptance of him as a gifted wizard and as the new herbology professor at Hogwarts.

    The fate of Hogwarts
    Nineteen years after the Battle of Hogwarts, the school for witchcraft and wizardry is led by an entirely new headmaster (“McGonagall was really getting on a bit”) as well as a new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. That position is now as safe as the other teaching posts at Hogwarts, since Voldemort’s death broke the jinx that kept a Defense Against the Dark Arts professor from remaining for more than a year.

    While Rowling didn’t clarify whether Harry, Ron and Hermione ever return to school to finish their seventh year, she did say she could see Harry popping up every now and again to give the “odd talk” on Defense Against the Dark Arts.

    More details to come?
    Rowling said she may eventually reveal more details in a Harry Potter encyclopedia, but even then, it will never be enough to satisfy the most ardent of her fans.

    “I’m dealing with a level of obsession in some of my fans that will not rest until they know the middle names of Harry’s great-great-grandparents,” she said. Not that she’s discouraging the Potter devotion!

    “I love it,” she said. “I’m all for that.”
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    Well, with that post, RyougaZell, you cleared some question I had about the epilogue..
    Thanks,
    Overall I thought the book was great, except maybe the last chapter and the epilogue.. I thought they were a bit.. rushed. They missed some details in my opinion.
    I kinda wish she would make a side story of Harry Potter, About what happened during those 19 years, and what happened after. Maybe, even a small side story about what happened at Hogwarts, if Harry's child's ever learned the truth about their father from the other student at school.. etc..
    It would also be nice to know what happened to George and Fred joke shop now that Fred is dead..
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    I don't get why she stops the whole thing anyway. Apparently she has been through depressions and both Rowling herself as well as a myriad of fans are suffering from separation anxiety. The world of Harry Potter is also interesting enough for there to be lots more stuff. Prequels, sequels, sidestories and whatnot.

    Sure in a way it would be milking the concept, but would somebody complain?

    Feels to me like she just sat down and decided "yep, 7 books" and then just rolled with it. Then again I know what it's like to have a definitive ending to something in mind and just pave the way there. So I suppose in a way, more from the Harry Potter world is impossible.

    But it would kick ass though.

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    7 books = the 7 years of Hogwarts for magic students.

    No Im glad she ended it. I really dont want to see this milked, which thankfully it wont be. She said she might work on something new though. But I want a series where I can say the whole thing was good.

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    Seven years not just for Hogwarts, but also because it's often a special number in magic lore. Also, the main story has been dealt with, that between Voldemort and Harry. I'll admit that there's alot more that could be done, but she seemed to have a very concrete idea of what the books would be about when she started, and that's been reached.

    She's gotten rid of the main story-line that created any tension/threat/problem. Unless the other books would be pure comedies or less interesting dramas (cleaning up the Ministry could be a story, but who really cares about that?) there's nothing to do except prequels. On that note, though, the prequels could be pretty good, but there wouldn't be as much suspense, since we all now know how things turn out.

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".

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    She (Rowling) stated that she may write a Potter Encyclopedia, just to show all the other stories she had and never used, or what happened to other characters after the end in those -19 years-

    Like Dean Thomas Death Eater father.

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    some douche i was playing counterstrike w\ had the name "sombody kills somebody.......t" i banned him from the server.... what a prick..

    i have only gotten about 50 pages into the book because i've been pretty busy w\ work and school *sigh*
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    Cool, finally got my copy in the mail. Already read a few chapters, pretty amazing story. Still haven't been spoiled yet (I skimmed most of this thread and skipped the posts warning of spoilers). Hope this ends well.


    For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?

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