Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion

[Kraco]

According to that picture book he isn't ignorant anymore. However, he made the decision a long time ago by killing his father, and now he just decides to see that road to the very end. It's also a kind of natural decision because their world is in a chaos and Suzaku especially isn't the kind of person who would bear to do nothing in such a situation. And having his love interest (no matter how unrealistic) killed probably pissed him off.

Lelouch and Suzaku became pretty much the same. Suzaku fought for the evil-doers to justify his own decision, and Lelouch abandoned to death and destruction his own forces - and country as well as his ideal to crush Britannia - just to go and save his little sister. While that's admirable on personal level, he practically speaking did what Suzaku did: Betrayed his own.

[shinta|hikari]

What I meant by ignorance is the fact that he does not realize that he has become what he hates the most, and that he has no right to label anyone as wrong.

[Kraco]

He has always hated himself, ever after he killed his old man. That was pretty evident from the time we first learned about it. Maybe he hates Lelouch more now because from his point of view Lelouch became tainted as well, and probably he had hoped that wouldn't happen.

[shinta|hikari]

He hates himself for what he has done, not for what he is. He actually thinks that what he is doing at present is right, even if it is obvious that such is not the case. He is ignorant of his own situation at present. The past is not the issue.

[Kraco]

I partly disagree, partly agree. What he is doing now is nothing but a continuation of what he did when he killed his father, and that's the one act in the history of mankind that he hates the most, and he did it himself. So, you can't really say he wouldn't hate what he is doing now. However, he still sees it as a necessary thing because he pledged himself to it when he committed his crime in the past.

It has been also said many times he doesn't enjoy killing at all, and killing is what he's mostly doing these days. Killing anybody who would disturb the uneasy "peace" the British occupation brought. However, there is a difference between liking killing and killing because one must.

[Yukimura]

Something else that really bothers me about Suzaku, even with his self-hate he's still willing to accept more and more blood on his hands for the peace of Britannia but he hasn't ever shown any willingness to dirty his hands for the sake of the Japanese. Even if he hates himself for killing people and even if he's ultimately doing what he's doing in an effort to somehow save lives instead of to soothe his conscious by continuing down this road, he still made and supports, the decision to value Britannian domination over Japanese freedom. I can't find a cause to support this notion, considering he is Japanese and I don't remember there being much of anything terribly wrong with life in Japan before it was invaded that would validate a forced change in direction.

[Ryllharu]

That is why Kallen hates him so much. I suppose from his point of view at the time he killed his father, ending a war with a clearly superior (due to knightmares) force in turn for their occupation did save lives. Starting the war up once more won't get anyone anywhere. There never has been a black and white set of good and evil in Code Geass. Everyone settles into some shade of grey. Even the angelic Euphemia was accused by someone in the Black Knights of belittling the Japanese with her little peace plan. I suppose Viletta when she was 'Chigusa' was innocent and filled with goodly ideals of living peacefully, but we all saw how that turned out.

It's funny she thought Zero forced her to do that. I'm very interested how her plotline turns out next season.
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I'm sure it was discussed to death somewhere in this thread, but just in case it hasn't, I rewatched parts of the series and have a few wild speculations about C.C.'s conversations with the empty air.

We know from a few lines in the latter half of the series that she is talking with two different people. One is V.V. where she says some line about him playing "pranks" that brought Kallen, Euphie, Lulu and Suzaku to Kamejima. Later, she addresses Marianne (Lelouch's mother) directly.

Is it possible that Marianne was also a "witch" like C.C.? According to Cornelia and some of the Picture Books, she was killed for a completely unexplained reason, her body carted off to some unknown place for an unknown reason. Lelouch was incredibly angry at hearing this from Cornelia. Yet, she still somehow communicates with C.C. Also not unlike C.C., references to her relate how great a person she was, skilled at seemingly everything, despite rising from the ranks of the commoners (which I find very telling after finding out it wasn't a plot by one of the other Queens, which Lulu or Cornelia easily would have found out).

I also get the inkling that V.V. is either related to the Emperor the way C.C. is to Lelouch, or is the Emperor himself. There can't be two assholes in the series this smug.

[shinta|hikari]

Did C.C. ever indicate that she was talking to V.V. ever? She even claimed that she did not know who kidnapped Nunnaly in episode 24-25, and she seemed pretty sincere at that point. I think she has some sort of connection with V.V. since she managed to feel that something happened to Nunnaly, but the invisible one that she was talking to was probably Marianne alone.

[Ryllharu]

As I mentioned in my post, in the Kamejima (everyone trapped on the island) episode, C.C. talks to one of the invisible people about "playing pranks again" and they flash a quick image of V.V. at the thought elevator.

It's possible she could only be taking to Marianne, as some of the specials and discussions between the other nobles talk about how very un-Queen like Marianne was (which, in fact, was why all the children liked or admired her so much).

The quick flash of V.V. seems more telling to me.

[shinta|hikari]

I think the two events are unrelated, at least not directly, but simply came in sequence of each other. Either way, there is no sure way to tell for now.

[TheBladeChild]

Promo for CG R2 is out:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/showmedia?id=259120

[Ryllharu]

Oh Kallen...you minx.

I also note the appearance of the Chinese Federation guy we only ever saw from behind in season 1.

[TheBladeChild]

Oh Kallen...you minx.

I also note the appearance of the Chinese Federation guy we only ever saw from behind in season 1.

WOW THAT WAS FAST, I post this, move to another tab then come back and already a reply.

[shinta|hikari]

Was that Lelouch talking with Kallen, with Kallen looking all Dere?

[animus]

Judging from the hair style, it does look like Lelouch indeed.

[RyougaZell]

Promo for CG R2 is out:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/showmedia?id=259120

w00T! Kallen!

And the hairstyle does look like Lelouch... although I thought he was going to go missing for a while... leaving the spotlight for Rollo for the first eps...

[Board of Command]

Suzaku dead?

[TheBladeChild]

No hes not, no way hes dead

[masamuneehs]

man.... fucking A
I see what looks like the Lancelot, so unless they got someone new to pilot it...

Toudoh and crew show up on a list of "captured" criminals... (and Rakshata and Diethard show up as still being 'Wanted')

some more backstory on Marianne finally? plus, a kiss and blatant Kallen fan service.

doesn't tell us much, but it does get my blood pumping

[animus]

Who was that black haired dude/Marianne? that cut up those 2 shoulders in lightning speed at the end?