Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion

[TheBladeChild]

I hate Suzaku for being a sanctimonious hypocrite. From childhood he was apparently spoiled into the belief that nothing is more important or more right than his own ideas, whatever they me be. He thinks he is the righteous hand of God no matter what horrible thing he might be doing. He indiscriminately kills anyone who gets in his way yet all the while he justifies it by saying he's trying to 'do the right thing' but those people were in his way so they deserved to die. He killed his own father because he (an 8-12 year old boy) decided that he knew what was best for Japan.

I don't hate him for most of his actions though (mainly just the patricide), I hate him for his stupid justifications that try to mask the fact that he is trying to force his ideals and will onto everyone around him regardless of what they want. In the final ep he finally admitted that he was doing something just because he felt like it, but I think even then he felt that his actions were somehow justified by some higher power that absolves him of any guilt.

QFT, its like you read my mind

[Shinji Ikari]

What I hope for the most is for the emperor to bite the dust, it is apparent that he knows the most about CC and the powers they possess. Also, knowing CC's name would be nice.

I find it very easy to hate Suzaku, 'cause unlike Kira from Gundam, he is spouting out words without thinking, and he can't follow through. He is a part of an army who brings nothing but destruction and oppression and he is naive enough to think that he could make a difference from inside the system.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

What all of you have said about Suzaku is very true. He is indeed a hypocrite. He flaunts his ideas around as if they are top priority and kills anyone in his way. In fact his idea of moving up in the system is a silly dream at best. Had Suzaku not been given the chance to pilot the Lancelot he would still be a lowly grunt. Then whenever he does something he comes up with some stupid justification. He was even willing to give up his life just to kill Zero which would have meant all of Japan being screwed. Even after all that I can't bring myself to hate him though. I still think he has room to grow. He just lost Euphemia and found out his best friend is Zero. As long as his quest of revenge doesn't lead him to completely forsake Nunnally or kill Karen I don't think I'll be hating him anytime soon. Hopefully next season he gets a Geass himself from V.V.. If he does I'm looking foreward to see what Suzaku does with all that power.

The emperor will surely get his. Sure won't be easy though see how far up the latter of power he is. Since he obviously must have a Geass or something of the sort I wonder what it does. Can't wait to find out. We probaly won't get C.C.'s name till the last couple of episodes. I'd really like to know.

[Shinji Ikari]

How about this, We have seen it being implied that the emperor projected the images CC and Leleouch saw when Euphemia. Maybe he is the one who ultimately gave Leleouch his powers by sending an image oh her in the trailer in the beginning. Or even that the reason he could see CC was because of what happened to his mother. I still think Leleouch might have been the one to murder his own mother, having a distorted memory or something. Although I wish that's not the case because I don't want another Light ala Death note walking around claiming ultimate power and justice. Because so far (although now swaying) Lele has been righteous and in the service of justice. Taking back that which has been taken from you is right after all. And the road to a greater goal is never clean.

Damn it, I find myself justifying Griffith from Berserk whom I hate dearly.

[shinta|hikari]

Lelouch was never righteous, and he knows it. Thats what makes him so likeable. Lelouch suffers for what he does, both emotionally and mentally. This is another reason why I hate Suzaku. He and Lelouch are doing practically the same thing, but Lelouch has to suffer guilt from it while he puffs his chest all proud. I was literally celebrating when Mao told him that he killed his own father, since it kind of extinguished any shred of reliability he had.

[RyougaZell]

What I need to know is who got shot at the end...
I mean... we know both Susaku and Lelouch are still around... but I hope the one shot wasn't Kallen...

[Shinji Ikari]

To me it seemed as if Nanaly appeared in the middle for some strange reason. Maybe VV pulled a trick or something. Anyway, that would be cool, although very tragic. It might get both Lelouch and Suzaku to realize the errors of their acting and make them come to hate brittania equally so they would join forces :P

[shinta|hikari]

And that my friend is probably the worst possible twist to ever happen to code geass.

[RyougaZell]

I re-watched ep 24 and 25...
Suzaku needs to die. Period.

And Kallen needs more screentime...

[shinta|hikari]

True on both accounts. But the person that needs more screentime is C.C., considering her miniscule role in episodes 24-25.

My bias here should be taken into consideration.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

On the note of who shot who I think that Karen will shoot Suzaku. Though she is very confused at the moment I'm sure she'll act on instinct. She knows that all of Japan needs Lelouch at the moment so she can't let him die. I don't like the idea of Nunally just appearing in between them. I'll be pissed if Nunally dies at Suzaku and Lelouch's hands.

I also really want to know what they will do about Nina since she is about to eliminate everyone in the city.

[Ryllharu]

At this point, the person I suspect to die the most is Karen. We know that the Lelouch/Suzaku conflict must continue, but with a shot fired, someone had to have been hit.

She knows that all of Japan needs Lelouch at the moment so she can't let him die.

Karen already feels betrayed. I don't think she believes in Zero at all anymore. Despite being a half-breed herself, she knows that Lelouch is fairly important as Britannian Society goes.
She felt strung along. She has known he wasn't Japanese for a while, but she didn't expect him to be a high ranking (or at least formerly) Britannian. That may make her do something stupid.

I'm more curious about what happens with Viletta and Shirely. The two of them both know Zero is Lelouch. Viletta will only need a short time to figure out that Lelouch is the Lelouch. If Shirely confides in Milly (which to me seems likely in light of the events) Shirely may also be told Lelouch's true identity. What will the two of these do with this information?

[shinta|hikari]

The shot could miss. Even if it did hit, it need not be fatal.

[RyougaZell]

Karen was too far away to take a shot for either Lelouch or Suzaku.
Lelouch couldn't have been shot since he was holding the Sakuradite.
Therefore... Suzaku is the one shot, but like shinta said, it does not have to be fatal. With Suzaku shot, Lelouch will go looking for Nunnally. What is Karen's reaction then? Dunno... but she currently does not know anything about Lelouch's heritage, like Ryl said.

My ideal escenario, for Karen still following Lelouch, is him telling her how his father used him, and Nunnally, as an excuse to invade Japan, and tried to kill him. At least this way
she would understand he trully hates Britannia. Hey... that old guy, whatever his name was, told her and Ougi his hate for britannia was geniune.

[shinta|hikari]

Karen is overreacting. I bet almost everyone was surprised at her reaction. She automatically assumed the worst that doesnt even make much sense. I just hope she gets a grip and act accordingly.

[Ryllharu]

Who's to say that Suzaku doesn't get out of the way and Lelouch hits Karen? He's facing the proper way, and we know Suzaku is ridiculously athletic (ref. final eps with Mao).

Granted, she's a little off to the side when they start to focus only on Suzaku and Lelouch, but there is the outside possibility.

That said, there are three guns in that scene. Karen could be the shooter.

True, Karen does not know that Lelouch is royalty, but she knows he's higher society. She's spent enough time on the student council to know that Milly and Lelouch are close. Milly's family may be a little on the disgraced side, but they are still incredibly prominent. And you said it yourself, Karen knows that by face alone, Lelouch is known by one of the most important people in Japan.

[shinta|hikari]

The outside possibility is the outside possibility because it probably wont happen. It would be too unbelievable if it did.

If Karen is the shooter, then she couldnt have been shot.

Lelouch and Suzaku are the only ones likely to get shot. Neither one will die, so it doesnt really matter much.

Lelouch's heritage doesnt matter much in the situation. True it is partly because he is a britannian that Karen reacts in such a manner, but it is mostly because Karen knows Lelouch as a pro-britannian anti-11 jerk since she slapped him in the park. Despite this, doesnt it even enter her head that the real Lelouch is the Zero one and not the one at school? Talk about shallow trust, or rather blind trust, which easily shatters when exposed to truth.

[animus]

Maybe Kallen shot herself in her confusion.

[Ryllharu]

If Karen is the shooter, then she couldnt have been shot.

Lelouch and Suzaku are the only ones likely to get shot. Neither one will die, so it doesnt really matter much.

In that instance, I obviously meant Karen shoots one of the others. An entirely separate case compared to her getting shot by Lelouch. She certainly could kill herself, but why do that when she can fulfill her feelings of betrayal and try to kill Lelouch, or prove her loyalty and try to kill Suzaku. No, she obviously won't succeed, but she might be the one who shoots.

[shinta|hikari]

I never said Karen would commit suicide. Animus did, and probably as a joke.

I said the first quoted line because

At this point, the person I suspect to die the most is Karen. We know that the Lelouch/Suzaku conflict must continue, but with a shot fired, someone had to have been hit.

Saying that she is probably the one who gets shot and proposing that she may be the one who shoots is confusing. I just pointed it out.

The second quoted line simply points out that the scenario makes it improbable for that (karen getting shot/dying by that last gunshot) to happen.

EDIT: No one ever opposed the idea that Karen may be the shooter. I dont get the need to stress it.