@shinta|hikari you left something out. Suzaku was also given the "I Can Pilot A God-Level Mech Better Than Anyone Ever Just Because I'm In The Opening" (© 2007 Sunrise) package.
@shinta|hikari you left something out. Suzaku was also given the "I Can Pilot A God-Level Mech Better Than Anyone Ever Just Because I'm In The Opening" (© 2007 Sunrise) package.
This show needs a calm character, siding with neither Brits or OBKs that just pwns Suzaku and kills VV for god sakes, it don't fucking matters who does the job, just kill VV.
And after rewatching the end, I wonder if it's Nanaly that gets shot.
Ps : Just kill VV
Edit: Kill the guy doing her voice acting
Edit2 : Strangle the guy that gave the idea of that char.
What fun would a mecha series be if the main characters had to actually like ... a learning curve?
Anyway, yeah. You're basically indicting Suzaku for being a hypocritical pacifist with a fundamental disconnect between his ideals and his own reality. But Lelouch is exactly the same way! He wants to come in and destroydestroydestroy to create a peaceful world. The difference is that Suzaku doesn't realize that he's embracing the path of destruction, where Lelouch does.
What makes this series interesting is that everyone in it with the exception of Lelouch's father is depicted as a good person. They all have their hearts in the right place. They all want peace and justice. They're all loyal to their friends and families. Nobody's maliciously betraying others. I think even Lelouch's father can be justified, from a certain perspective. As Lelouch got closer to finding out about his mother's assassination, it seemed like he was right on the verge of discovering that perspective and shattering his whole worldview.
Lelouch never claimed he was a pacifist and he's never seemed to think he was somehow blameless or heroic for doing what he does, he does what he wants to do and acknowledges that it's only being done because he wants it done. This mentality I ca get behind on the grounds that he is at peace with what he is and he has accepted that the means to his end will be bloody and violent and terrible.
What is annoying about Suzaku is that he is so similar to Lelouch, (Might makes Right) but seems convinced that he's got some lofty noble reasoning behind his actions. He acts like his reasoning is right because it's the 'natural order' and he's just a pawn in the grand scheme of keeping things going the way they are supposed to. When you look at all the people Suzaku kills he seems to blame their deaths on them going against Britannia instead of on him denying them their right to be free and make their own choices. He runs around screaming "don't fight the system, join it and change it" but it never seems to cross his mind that he and Britannia are wrong for telling people how to live their lives and killing them when they don't agree.
Lelouch is not a hypocrite. If anything, he is too accepting of his ways even at the expense of his conscience. Suzaku fools himself into thinking he is doing the right thing while his actions say otherwise. Lelouch may be a liar, but at least he doesnt lie to himself. Suzaku may be "honest", but since he lies to himself, he is practically fooling everyone else as well.
Oh, and Lelouch doesnt agree with "might makes right". He is changing the world precisely because he wants to change that mindset. But he realizes that using power is the only real way to effect that change. He should know the irony there, but realistically, its the only way (with the information he has). Suzaku is just a fool who cant go against the system. Heck, he was about to kill himself with Zero once (which should go against his pacifist ideals and "good nature") just because he was ordered to.
More than being a hypocrite, I guess Suzaku is so irritating because he is a naive idiot.
Peace.
hey i didnt feel like scrolling through the pages but i got a question .does anyone else think that vv is to the emperor( lelouch dad) as cc is to lelouch? his dad probably has geass...............he knew as lelouch accepted contract from cc in first episode
I loled.....
Christ I need CG.
I have some CG if you know what I mean. PM me for further details.Originally Posted by Lucifus
Will do.
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My friend and I discussed about Suzaku.. and we concluded that Suzaku = Kira (GS)
<3 Tessa-chan! <3 Lucifus! ....chotto mate.
No, Suzaku is nowhere as good as Kira *Jesus Christ* Yamato, at least he didn't need a cat to bail his ass out spoilerz lol.
O yeah, and regardless how stupid Kira's idea was, at least he did something about it... like disabling MS's instead of just blowing the crap out of everything.
I like Suzaku more because he finally became honest after realizing he was powerless to save Euphie the way he was. But I think Kira is the better character (in terms of being a hero) since despite having been powerless to protect Flay, he doesnt go all berserk and lose all his ideals and principles like Suzaku did.
Peace.
Gundam Seed Kira was a hell of a lot better than Suzaku. At least you could understand Kira's bitching, it seemed logical since he was a civilian, and Kira made some good choices by the end of the series. Suzaku just can't help being a dumbass. It makes me sick every time I have to watch him talk to himself out loud about rebellions not improving the situation. And to make things worse, he's the one helping the enemy, making him an even bigger asshole. At least Kira wasn't an asshole. I mean, even if the pink haired princess was being controlled while killing all of those Japanese, you can't deny that she had to be put down. I would actually complement this series if it were not for that worthless ass wipe of a character.
Heh. Seems like it's a bad conclusion after all =\
<3 Tessa-chan! <3 Lucifus! ....chotto mate.
So finally downloaded and watched the last two episodes. Jesus this show has got to be the king of cliff hangers, it makes me want to pull my hair out.
Regarding the discussion here, i have to agree with the "Suzaku is a douche" crowd. Lelouch at the very least recognizes that though his intentions are good, the means he's using to achieve his goals are morally wrong. We've seen him struggle with his own morality several times. On top of that his goals are a lot easier to identify with, i mean who wouldn't want to find and kill the person who murdered their mother? As well as trying to make a world where you and your outcast sister could live without worrying about the royalty who thinks your dead finding out your not?
Suzaku on the other hand is just a lapdog of the system, he has no real solid reason for turning on his own more or less enslaved people. He just preaches "peace" and "non-violence" all the while smashing around in is uber God-mech killing whoever he's ordered to and justifying himself by blaming it on them. The guy killed his own dad and justifies it by saying it was for "peace". There is just very little i can find redeemable, much less likable, about a hypocrite who justifies his actions with his own self-righteous nonsense.
Have they posted a date when season 2 starts?
I'm almost certain it's mid to late October. Can't give you the source but I did read that somewhere.
@Crash - and another person sees the light.
Peace.
I'll break your board in two if your wrong.
I'd had morning wood all day thinking about how Code Geass is just around the corner.
Is that strange?
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