Great work! Thanks! It's jolly good we have here our own Geass subber and editor when the regular groups fail.
And it was very interesting to get an episode that put Kallen and C.C. in the same packet. Not bad choices of images, either.
Great work! Thanks! It's jolly good we have here our own Geass subber and editor when the regular groups fail.
And it was very interesting to get an episode that put Kallen and C.C. in the same packet. Not bad choices of images, either.
Anyway to share this files that is not youtube?
Kinda blocked at the office, and well... I could see them at home... but I kinda wanted to download them without resorting to flv videos and ipod/psp converters.
Finally caught up. Haven't watched since ep 14 or so but had faithfully downloaded the releases as they came out. I really hate cliffhangers and to end an entire season like that made me nearly pull out my hair in frustration... in a good way =P
It's so fun to see two characters who're so similar and fail to recognize those similarities in each other. But I would probably argue that Lelouch has a better grip on reality than Suzaku. And that whole Geass with Euphie thing was unbelievable. If Lelouch ever loses Nanali then he'll become truly insane, as I find her the only thread tying down his conscience. I don't really see C.C. as one to help him make moral judgments. Kinda makes me root for Nanali's death just to see what happens
Thanks for the comments about the sound episodes. Im glad people are enjoying them, since that is really the reason why I started translating those things.
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Maybe you can try some other software so that you wont have a problem with the tag.
Thanks for the subs!
Another one done! This time, its a love triangle between C.C., Lelouch, and Suzaku!
Forgot to put my name on the thing, but trust me, I made it, video and translation. Its quite obvious from the noobness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwJYtGG8K4s
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Heh. A complicated girl indeed... Somehow these clips that suggest C.C. and Lelouch really are a pair are such teasers.
Good work, once again. But don't forget to add your credits. After all, you are the only guardian of your own rights.
I dont really mind if anyone else uses them. I do these sound episodes just for the fun of it, and for the people enjoying them anyway. But ill keep that in mind.
The clips with C.C. in it are my favorites, but I think only one other sound episode has her appearing (and only a very short time too). Its a series I believe, composed of a few parts. The other sound episodes are about the supporting cast, and are mainly comedy.
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somehow i've still yet to watch the last two episodes of this show...
however, i'm rewatching it with my sister. And we just finished having a full-blown debate about Lelouch. She, being the high and mighty virtuous Christian that she is, says she hates him because he is so manipulative and is "an absolute complete asshole who doesn't care about anyone"
Now, granted, he's manipulative and uses people like chess pieces, but I tried to defend our protagonist a little. We just watched episode 14 (first episode with Mao and when Lelouch wipes Shirely's memory at the end) and I tried to convince her that he actually does care about her (too much so). She would have none of it and is convinced that his only wiping her memory instead of killing her is no proof that he's still not terrible.
It got me to thinking, why does he erase the rest of her memories about him? At this point, it's painfully obvious to him that she's in love with him, and she's torn up because she still loves him (enough to save him from Viletta) even though she knows he's Zero and her father's murderer. So, why not just wipe her memory of the past few days? Why make her forget all about him? I think it is because he feels terrible that she's in love with him, and Geassing her is his quick fix to not have that terrible guilt weighing on him.
man, i do love this freakin' show... once I finish catching up with the Naruto manga (infinitely better than the anime) I'll gladly watch the climax of this season.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
I think its also for Shirley's sake. If she is still in love with Lelouch, she will eventually stick her nose in his business like she did which placed her in grave danger. By erasing himself and her love for him, that whole issue is avoided. Granted its an easy way out, but is still effective, and the motives were not completely selfish.
A lot of people can say that Lelouch is an asshole and manipulative because he is. But the reason that they can hate him for it is because they do not understand his character, his hatred and his pain, mainly because most people do not go through what he has gone through. Many people underestimate the hardships Lelouch faced because it was not elaborated in the series. Two sound episodes shed more light to this, and also fleshes out Lelouch's good side. If I find the time I will translate and upload it, but that wont be for a while.
Lelouch does care about people, namely and in order of importance, Nunnaly, Suzaku, C.C., Shirley, the rest of the people he knows (sorry Kallen). This has been proven time and time again. I hope people dont mistake Lelouch for Light, since they are fundamentally different.
@Masa - Id recommend watching the sound episodes (well at least the ones I posted so far since I think they are the only ones translated) before the season ender, just to give a bit more background before the climax, instead of the other way around.
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Following post will be episode 24-25 spoiler-free.
Shinta hit it just about dead on on both counts. Lelouch is a villain. You're supposed to hate him. However, the audience can't help but like him as well, seeing him succeed and later that his motives are very much the product of his immense desire to protect Nunnaly. Watching Lelouch is like watching a con-artist or heist film, you feel good about watching the plan succeed. But you can also hate Suzaku as much as you like, like most of us do. He is Lelouch's balance point. Lelouch thinks he needs to do everything by force, and only at the point with Euphie does he see there may be another solution. Suzaku is of course, the world's greatest hypocrite. He professes peace and slowly changing everything, trying to keep everyone alive. He plays the role of The Hero. But we learn that deep down, he's no better than Lelouch. He readily kills to stop the killing. What makes the series really interesting is that we see Suzaku and Lelouch slowly gravitate towards being the same person. It climaxed at the end of episode 23, and in 24 and 25, you'll see how that drift turned out.
As for Shirley, most of us agree that what Lelouch did was the stupid thing. He got emotional about it, didn't take the time to think, and on impulse, gave her a poorly thought out Geass order. But he had good intentions. He saw how incredibly tortured Shirely had become. She was still very much smitten with him, but couldn't bring herself any closer like she clearly wanted to because he killed her father inadvertently. Tying in with above, consider it a moment of Lelouch's weakness, the slow shift toward Suzaku's personality. As Shinta said, he no longer wanted to see her suffer, and especially since it was his fault, he made a snap decision during her emotional fit and put her out of that pain. Maybe it was ill-guided mercy, perhaps it was a reaction to how powerless Lelouch felt about her in his guilt.
Hmm... I never hated him. While he is an anti-hero, or even a villain, he's still not out there like Light, for example. Like you said, Lelouch still has people who are important to him and he protected them. Even Suzaku who is also one of his worst enemies. Suzaku believes in changing the system, Lelouch believes in a revolution. Neither are inherently good or bad solutions, but revolution obviously can turn bloody much easier and thus requires a leader who is not afraid, internally or externally, of blood spilled.Originally Posted by Ryllharu
I never hated Lelouch either, and I think people who do are quite naive, or are too idealistic, or are too attached to the hero image to appreciate a good anti-hero. Still, its everyones freedom to like or hate anything.
Then again, maybe Im just a villain myself, and am forced to defend one who shares my ideals.
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You're both correct. I should have written it "You're supposed to hate him," or even more appropriately, "He's not the kind of person you should be rooting for."
The mainstream populace is supposed to agree with Suzaku's methods. Slowly, peacefully, changing things from inside. What makes his character interesting is that Suzaku preaches that method while making many exceptions along the way. He's no different from Lelouch.
What makes this series great is that you can see that visible change is only possible from Lelouch's method. Suzaku's method would take a long time, if not generations. The only reason we see any progress at all with his method is he convinces someone in "power," Euphemia. Lelouch claims he's willing to make any sacrifices and take all the weight from his actions, which of course he isn't able to. He has one huge weakness in Nunnally, Suzaku, and his other friends, which is of course why he made the stupid decision dealing with Shirley.
I think it's good to root for the Lelouch types, because with them the results they get feel more real. Suzaku's results come being a goody goody and then lucking into having a member of the royal family like him. He gets 'Flashdanced' to a position of authority and then mistakes that for real progress. Lelouch on the other hand does some pretty bad things, but gets results using his own power and by 23 he has managed to do the unthinkable, set up a situation where an Area has declared independence from Britannia and might actually be able to hold it. I don't think either method is exclusively right or wrong, but I can at least get behind Lelouch's way because he earned it through working hard towards his goal, not smiling and going out on dates with Princesses.
As to calling him a villian...how exactly does that work? Did he ever kill civilians wantonly? Sure he's taken hostages and destroyed tons of property, but he seems to avoid harming non-combatants when possible showing that he does have a heart (a proper villain should never avoid civilian causalities if it interferes with their goals). I think Lelouch falls firmly in either the anti-hero or anti-villain category, with the only real difference being do you think he's a 'generally good guy using bad methods (anti-hero)' or a 'generally bad guy with a heart (anti-villain)'.
Lelouch falls very much into a grey area. He uses people a lot to meet his ends. No hesitation in killing all those soldiers when he first obtained the Geass, planned to kill the leaders of the Japanese Liberation Front, while ensuring he could have Todou join him later. He often kills people off himself, blames Britannia or someone else to further solidify his organization.
He's been using everyone from the beginning. I doubt he really cares at all if Japan is free, he just wants a safe place for Nunnally and revenge for Marianne. He didn't even fight on the front lines until he obtained overwhelming dominance with the Gawain. You can call it smart, but at least Suzaku risks his own life before all else, even if it's for the cowardly reason of guilt.
There really is no true correct way in this series. Everyone has their flaws.
Lelouch's fighting style is tactical, and practical. Suzaku owning everyone in an overpowered mecha isnt exactly risking his life, and is quite idiotic and unbelievable (though common in anime). At least Lelouch thinks and gives effort and sacrifices to win. Suzaku is somehow winning just for being himself.
Lelouch is a definite anti-hero. I think what separates heroes from villains are basic motives. Lelouch's motives dont really qualify as selfish villain motives (conquer the world for power, kill everyone he doesnt like etc.). Granted he does want to conquer the world, but not as a motive, but as a method in order to create a place for his sister. And if you ask me, the world he will create will probably be 10x better than the world his father (the real villain) fosters. Lelouch is not an anti-villain, his motives dont fit that category.
I really believe that the delivery of code geass is in fact biased towards Lelouch (well he is the main character) since they tend to humanize him a lot.
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That doesn't matter at all. What he was thinking deep inside is irrelevant if it had brought the Japanese back their independence. We may never know what would have happened after that, though, and it would indeed have been the decisive point: whether Lelouch would have shamelessly (and using geass) used the independent Japan to crush the Empire or whether he would have proceeded through other ways. If he had ruined Japan for his own purposes, then it all would have been a wicked act from the beginning, for sure, but not otherwise.
Risking one's own life for no purpose is no courage but foolishness. Suzaku was but one pilot and not in any command position even. Thus he was doing exactly what he was supposed to do. Lelouch, on the other hand, was the leader of a resistance movement right from the beginning. He still risked much, if you probe your memories a little, but tried not to risk too much. He wasn't certainly any exceptional pilot and thus he wouldn't have gained anything at all by recklessly throwing himself at enemies - quite the contrary, he would have deprived the resistance of their irreplaceable leader.He didn't even fight on the front lines until he obtained overwhelming dominance with the Gawain. You can call it smart, but at least Suzaku risks his own life before all else, even if it's for the cowardly reason of guilt.
to me villains and heroes are situational identifiers.
Because the Britannian Empire is so evil and their methods of colonization so racist and oppressive, people in the modern day will see almost anyone opposing them as a 'good guy'. If this show was viewed by a society of British nobles in the 18th Century, they might be more accepting of Britannia and see Lelouch as a villain.
Lelouch has done alot of bad things. He uses people, murders people, manipulates and lies and, yeah, if you just looked at his actions, you'd immediateley call him a villain, pure and simple. But because the story takes great pains to show you his background, gaining sympathy and understanding for his motives, and sets him up against an even more manipulative, evil opponent in the Britannian Empire, the old "the ends justify the means" maxim springs up to viewers and they suddenly cheer him as a hero. I do also think that Ryl has a good idea about 'watching a heist film', because in real life we wouldn't want to be so condoning of those things, but the tension and feeling aroused in us while watching it makes us root for the heist to be pulled off.
Suzaku is really the flip-side of Lelouch. He'd normally be a hero, if it weren't that the country he serves is so evil, and without his backstory (him killing his father), we'd not be aware of his shortcomings so much. Opposed from the start by the very institution he supports, Suzaku has worked his way up after (fortunately) receiving the Lancelot and even managed to attract a powerful sympathizer in Euphie who would realize the 'change from the inside' scheme. But, as mentioned, he does primarily rely on his Knightmare's power as his greatest tool. He makes a point of trying to go about things with the right methods.
Still, the thing about this show is that nobody is perfect. Suzaku can't resist using the power of violence and methods that he despises. Lelouch can't put his personal vengence aside. Even Nunnaly, the only really 'pure' character in the entire show (and, in her relation with Lelouch, one of the biggest reasons we can come to see him as a hero and not a villain) is physically crippled.
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
Suzaku didnt work his way up. He was just plain lucky to get everything set up for him (Lancelot, Euphie). He believed that things could be changed from the inside, but he had no plans or strategy. He had nothing, but pure hypocrisy.
Lelouch had a plan, though it got moved forward with geass. Lelouch isnt evil nor stupid. He believed that what he was doing was necessary, and is done in consideration of other more peaceful alternatives. Lelouch is practically a genius, and if he wasnt able to come up with a peaceful solution that was feasible at that time, there probably was no such solution. He basically had no choice. Its not like he wanted to use the more violent way.
Suzaku did not believe in the Machiavellian method, so he CHOSE (in ignorance of course, since he, unlike Lelouch, is an idiot) to take the practically impossible justice approach. Lelouch KNEW that there was no other choice, and was thus forced to do what he did, and I agree with him.
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