Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion

[Mae]

Man, what a cheap way out of that mess. And a bit stupid too. Why not just have her forget the past few days? It could be chalked up to stress. If she doesn't remember him at all the gang at school will definitely become suspicious that something strange is happening. And even if she moves away or whatever they're friends, so it's not like they suddenly won't talk to her anymore. I also can't see him abandoning the school and his sister as she is pretty much the most important person to him.

I don't really know what to think of the crazy guy with the new geass. At first I thought the geass must have something to do with Britannia, like a new weapon they were developing. But it doesn't look like Mao has anything to do with that government. So CC's been running around Geassing people before she met Lelouche, huh? Looks like her motivation might be completely separate from the whole Brittania/11 conflict. But why did they have her then? What is she get out of this I wonder? Maybe Lelouche will finally start questioning her some more. I thought it was something of a plot hole that he trusted this bizarre chick that he knows nothing about anyways.

As an aside, it's nice to see a series where people actually don't know what will happen next for a change.

[masamuneehs]

wow, episode 14 spun me dizzy.

Mao: I was reminded of Dio from Last Exile. Something to do with silver haired guys with crazy power obsessing over a main character and using chess. I really like his character, as all his lines and words were delightfully evil and smacking of hidden insanity, but an intellect to be reckoned with. The funniest thing was when Shirely pointed her pistol at him, so he acts like "woah! I don't fight! Let me just walk away.... ....walk away and pick up this shotgun right here!" He pulled up that shotgun and I just sat there thinking how much I'm going to like this new guy.

Also can't wait for C.C.'s past to come into a bigger role in the plot.

Viletta is at the Black Knights' base, nothing Ougi could have done otherwise would have made an asshair of sense (aside from finishing her off). I smell trouble brewing for Zero's command ability...

The eraser: stupid move. Talk about letting emotion get the best of you and overcompensating to fix. He could have made her forget everything since the night at the pier, but NO~~! He has to make her into some kind of amnesia-retard... Way to make shit awkward at the school and fuck over a friend, and not just that, someone who had really sincere feelings for you. I guess he could say, "I can't risk getting her involved with me ever again", but that still seems like a cop-out in my book...

a crude analogy for the Shirely memory erasal move is making a stinky fart in your car on the way to a girl's house. Instead of opening the windows and maybe spraying a small hint of cologne/something to counter it, you hose down yourself and your auto with so much Axe or cologne that when you pick up the chick, her first reaction is that you're some kinda crazy. well, guess that was a shitty analogy, but that's what came to mind.

oh yes, this is truly the show I enjoy the most.

[shinta|hikari]

That is a shitty analogy.

Shirley isnt an amnesia retard. She just forgot about lelouch. If he only erased her memory of the pier, the chances of her getting curious and snooping around again is high, so he had to do it for both Shirley's and his rebellion's sake.

To cop-out means to take the easy way out and avoid responsibility. This way is hardly easy for Lelouch, since losing Shirley must mean a great deal to him considering how much he cared about her. He probably thought that this is the only way for him to take responsibility without compromising all his plans and his life's goal.

Lelouch probably has plans for Shirley, and it will be revealed soon. Judging whether what he did was stupid or not should be done after the consequences are shown.

Mao is just cheap. Reading other peoples minds doesnt make him smart. Without this power, Lelouch would have chewed him up and spit him out at chess. Cant wait for Lelouchs revenge on this guy.

EDIT: Lelouch didnt trust C.C. from the beginning. It is just that she never answers any questions, so there is no point in asking them. The only time Lelouch started to trust C.C. is the cave incident, when he actually expressed gratitude. This trust is not ill placed, considering she already saved him twice by that time.

C.C. probably doesnt give a damn about the rebellion, but it is necessary to keep Lelouch alive (he threatened to commit suicide if he cant continue his plans before), but now, maybe she is just helping him coz she likes him.

[kenren]

hello, =)
i can tell this series will be good since there're lots of post heating this topic up..
so, which group is better? (i'm starting from episode 1 >.<)

[Ryllharu]

@Kenren: There's only one group still doing it. Watch gg.


I'd say what he did is one way to avoid responsibility. Instead of working it out or actually attempting to keep her out of it, he goes for the memory wipe.

Mao really didn't even do that much to Shirley. She had said most of the things he accused her of in the previous episode, like the remark about her being a deceptive woman for taking advantage of her father's death to kiss Lulu. All he did was say what she already thought about herself. It's no worse than good intuition. Cheating at chess is cheap though.

[Kraco]

C.C. probably doesnt give a damn about the rebellion, but it is necessary to keep Lelouch alive (he threatened to commit suicide if he cant continue his plans before), but now, maybe she is just helping him coz she likes him.

What does C.C. actually want? Has it been explained anywhere, even between the lines? Judging by her behavior alone it somewhat looks like she just wants to be with someone(s), and interact with people, and apparenly deals out geass powers to achieve that. And being trusted and needed surely made her happy. However, since she's probably the one in this series with most history, it would seem likely she also has something bigger she's aiming at, ultimately.

[kenren]

alright then..thanks Ryllharu.
..i'll try and catch up as soon as possbile... =D

[shinta|hikari]

C.C. has hinted many times before that she is aiming for something bigger, probably a mission that she has to fulfill which requires the power of geass. Lelouch once deduced that C.C. doesnt have geass herself because he wouldnt be needed if she had it. That would mean a major part of his necessity to C.C. is the power itself, and not just his company.

To cop-out has a connotation of ease and fear of hardship. What Lelouch did has none of those, at least psychologically and emotionally. Though I have to agree that it is in a sense an avoidance of technical responsibility, for if he really wanted to face up to it, he would have to cease his plans, surrender and end the rebellion, which of course isnt happening.

Agreed with Mao's manipulation of Shirley. It was so easy because he is so cheap. What the hell is mind reading power anyway, its been overused in so many shows. Just hope it has a better application in code geass.

[masamuneehs]

well yeah, that was a pretty awful analogy...

semantics aside, i still think the memory erasing was cowardly. it's been pointed out how just erasing Shirley's memory of the time since the pier might not be a full-proof move, since she could get suspicious again. But we all have noted some flaws to Lelouch's move here, how things at Ashford might get weird (Shirely and Lelouch absent for awhile, then one disappears. Not to mention he still can't be 100% sure of what happened at the pier, and if it wasn't for Ougi's fortunate walk, Viletta's knowledge of him would still be a dangerous threat) What I think was cowardly was this: he saw she liked him and didn't know what to do about it, so he just made those emotions go away completely. He saw that he'd hurt a friend and instead of trying to amend those mistakes or making them up to her, he makes it like it never happened at all.

He never makes a promise to renege on, but I just don't believe that the memory erasal was taking responsibility for his actions and his "consequences". That is what I thought was "copping-out".