Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion

[Kraco]

Indeed. It also needs to be remembered that it's no sign of strength to be able to make excuses for one's actions, no matter how low and vile. A strong person who knows he must do what needs to be done to achieve a greater purpose can do low things knowing fully well just how low those things were. He doesn't need to twist the truth and try to explain this and that, trying to make it sound perfectly honourable to himself. It's a different thing what should be told to his underlings, though. It could very well be much better if they don't think any compromises had to be made. And that's what happened.

Like shinta|hikari suggested in his last paragraph, I also will like Lelouch much more as long as he knows, himself, that he must accept sacrifices and ill deeds in order to gain greater victories. If he at some point begins to believe everything he does is automatically right, like Light, then some part of me is going to start to hope for his defeat.

[RyougaZell]

If he believed everything he did was right, then he would convert into Suzaku.

Suzaku believes he can change things by being pacifist, but, like others have stated, is a hypocrite for working for those that killed his father.

When CC gave him those illusions, the dissapointed face of that man who I assume is his father was priceless.

[Dark Dragon]

Actually Suzaku feel more like a Mix of Athrun and Kira to me.

Naive notion that everything can be solve without death. check
Confuse and is now working under others that might not have the same ideals as him because of his father. check
Love interest is a pink hair girl who just happen to be the leader of the nation and will probably gain a ridiculous amount of power. check
Has a best friend who is on the opposite side because of personal belief. check

about the only thing missing is the ability to activate Kira mode and obliterate the enemies mech without killing the pi......... nvm he doesn't even need to activate it because he can do that normally. check

[Church]

about the only thing missing is the ability to activate Kira mode and obliterate the enemies mech without killing the pi......... nvm he doesn't even need to activate it because he can do that normally. check

Except he keeps killing other people, and doesn't even try to not kill them... At least Kira decided and made a conscious effort to only hit non-vital parts. Suzaku takes the extremes, either sits around looking confused or totally killing everything in his way...

O, and the OST is out
http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents...ck.zip.torrent

[shinta|hikari]

Kira decided that only after he got convinced by Lacus. Maybe that is what is going to happen to Suzaku as well, with Euphie taking the other role. I hope this wont happen though, since it would overload him with Seed similarities, whcih may affect my rating on the originality of code geass. Still, I hope he doesnt stay that long and just dies.

Ideas on Suzakus death, rated 1-5

1. Killed knowingly by Zero for his ideals using geass.
2. Killed unknowingly by Zero for his ideals.
3. Raped and killed by Nina, because of jealousy.
4. Blown up by the Guren because too busy making a speech about Zeros misdeeds.
5. Dies from heart attack because of stress from excessive worrying over justice.

[High Wind]

Number 5 sounds like something Kira would write. I'm pretty sure I tripped a couple people up by referring to the Death Note Kira.

Anyways, at this point I'm all up for Suzaku meeting an untimely end. His character would be a bit more bearable if it weren't so full of hypocrisies and contradictions.

[Munsu]

I really don't see him as much of an hypocrite as some of you guys do. I actually see a lot of similarities between him and Lelouch. As mentioned before by you guys, Lelouch sacrifices and does evil deeds "in order to gain greater victories". And I feel that Suzaku is pretty much doing the same thing. He wants to change Britannia, but he feels the only way to do it is from the inside. How do you expect for him to accomplish this if he's constantly acting against orders? It has been shown that they don't think twice about executing a traitor.

Also, someone stated that Lelouch wasn't that great of a pilot because he lasted more than 1 minute against the Lancelot, when Knightmares usually last 3 seconds? I don't see your point, if that's the case than that makes Lelouch a pretty good pilot.

And come on, can't we have some other argument to discredit Suzuku other than he's the same as Kira? We've been over the same crap since the first episode. We already know that he has shown many similarities to him, so why keep bringing it up? If I wanted to discuss Gundam SEED, I would simply go to the Mobile Suit Gundam forum. This is turning out as the same shitty discussions that were happening in the Naruto forums and the Dragonball comparisons. And also, for those that feel that Kira was naive to think he could solve things without killing people, well guess what he pretty much acomplished it. And to quote my friend Arc, "he knows deaths have to happen, he just doesn't want to kill". And if you're skilled enough to accomplish this, why not give it a try?