Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion

[Mae]

Man, what a cheap way out of that mess. And a bit stupid too. Why not just have her forget the past few days? It could be chalked up to stress. If she doesn't remember him at all the gang at school will definitely become suspicious that something strange is happening. And even if she moves away or whatever they're friends, so it's not like they suddenly won't talk to her anymore. I also can't see him abandoning the school and his sister as she is pretty much the most important person to him.

I don't really know what to think of the crazy guy with the new geass. At first I thought the geass must have something to do with Britannia, like a new weapon they were developing. But it doesn't look like Mao has anything to do with that government. So CC's been running around Geassing people before she met Lelouche, huh? Looks like her motivation might be completely separate from the whole Brittania/11 conflict. But why did they have her then? What is she get out of this I wonder? Maybe Lelouche will finally start questioning her some more. I thought it was something of a plot hole that he trusted this bizarre chick that he knows nothing about anyways.

As an aside, it's nice to see a series where people actually don't know what will happen next for a change.

[masamuneehs]

wow, episode 14 spun me dizzy.

Mao: I was reminded of Dio from Last Exile. Something to do with silver haired guys with crazy power obsessing over a main character and using chess. I really like his character, as all his lines and words were delightfully evil and smacking of hidden insanity, but an intellect to be reckoned with. The funniest thing was when Shirely pointed her pistol at him, so he acts like "woah! I don't fight! Let me just walk away.... ....walk away and pick up this shotgun right here!" He pulled up that shotgun and I just sat there thinking how much I'm going to like this new guy.

Also can't wait for C.C.'s past to come into a bigger role in the plot.

Viletta is at the Black Knights' base, nothing Ougi could have done otherwise would have made an asshair of sense (aside from finishing her off). I smell trouble brewing for Zero's command ability...

The eraser: stupid move. Talk about letting emotion get the best of you and overcompensating to fix. He could have made her forget everything since the night at the pier, but NO~~! He has to make her into some kind of amnesia-retard... Way to make shit awkward at the school and fuck over a friend, and not just that, someone who had really sincere feelings for you. I guess he could say, "I can't risk getting her involved with me ever again", but that still seems like a cop-out in my book...

a crude analogy for the Shirely memory erasal move is making a stinky fart in your car on the way to a girl's house. Instead of opening the windows and maybe spraying a small hint of cologne/something to counter it, you hose down yourself and your auto with so much Axe or cologne that when you pick up the chick, her first reaction is that you're some kinda crazy. well, guess that was a shitty analogy, but that's what came to mind.

oh yes, this is truly the show I enjoy the most.

[shinta|hikari]

That is a shitty analogy.

Shirley isnt an amnesia retard. She just forgot about lelouch. If he only erased her memory of the pier, the chances of her getting curious and snooping around again is high, so he had to do it for both Shirley's and his rebellion's sake.

To cop-out means to take the easy way out and avoid responsibility. This way is hardly easy for Lelouch, since losing Shirley must mean a great deal to him considering how much he cared about her. He probably thought that this is the only way for him to take responsibility without compromising all his plans and his life's goal.

Lelouch probably has plans for Shirley, and it will be revealed soon. Judging whether what he did was stupid or not should be done after the consequences are shown.

Mao is just cheap. Reading other peoples minds doesnt make him smart. Without this power, Lelouch would have chewed him up and spit him out at chess. Cant wait for Lelouchs revenge on this guy.

EDIT: Lelouch didnt trust C.C. from the beginning. It is just that she never answers any questions, so there is no point in asking them. The only time Lelouch started to trust C.C. is the cave incident, when he actually expressed gratitude. This trust is not ill placed, considering she already saved him twice by that time.

C.C. probably doesnt give a damn about the rebellion, but it is necessary to keep Lelouch alive (he threatened to commit suicide if he cant continue his plans before), but now, maybe she is just helping him coz she likes him.

[kenren]

hello, =)
i can tell this series will be good since there're lots of post heating this topic up..
so, which group is better? (i'm starting from episode 1 >.<)

[Ryllharu]

@Kenren: There's only one group still doing it. Watch gg.


I'd say what he did is one way to avoid responsibility. Instead of working it out or actually attempting to keep her out of it, he goes for the memory wipe.

Mao really didn't even do that much to Shirley. She had said most of the things he accused her of in the previous episode, like the remark about her being a deceptive woman for taking advantage of her father's death to kiss Lulu. All he did was say what she already thought about herself. It's no worse than good intuition. Cheating at chess is cheap though.

[Kraco]

C.C. probably doesnt give a damn about the rebellion, but it is necessary to keep Lelouch alive (he threatened to commit suicide if he cant continue his plans before), but now, maybe she is just helping him coz she likes him.

What does C.C. actually want? Has it been explained anywhere, even between the lines? Judging by her behavior alone it somewhat looks like she just wants to be with someone(s), and interact with people, and apparenly deals out geass powers to achieve that. And being trusted and needed surely made her happy. However, since she's probably the one in this series with most history, it would seem likely she also has something bigger she's aiming at, ultimately.

[kenren]

alright then..thanks Ryllharu.
..i'll try and catch up as soon as possbile... =D

[shinta|hikari]

C.C. has hinted many times before that she is aiming for something bigger, probably a mission that she has to fulfill which requires the power of geass. Lelouch once deduced that C.C. doesnt have geass herself because he wouldnt be needed if she had it. That would mean a major part of his necessity to C.C. is the power itself, and not just his company.

To cop-out has a connotation of ease and fear of hardship. What Lelouch did has none of those, at least psychologically and emotionally. Though I have to agree that it is in a sense an avoidance of technical responsibility, for if he really wanted to face up to it, he would have to cease his plans, surrender and end the rebellion, which of course isnt happening.

Agreed with Mao's manipulation of Shirley. It was so easy because he is so cheap. What the hell is mind reading power anyway, its been overused in so many shows. Just hope it has a better application in code geass.

[masamuneehs]

well yeah, that was a pretty awful analogy...

semantics aside, i still think the memory erasing was cowardly. it's been pointed out how just erasing Shirley's memory of the time since the pier might not be a full-proof move, since she could get suspicious again. But we all have noted some flaws to Lelouch's move here, how things at Ashford might get weird (Shirely and Lelouch absent for awhile, then one disappears. Not to mention he still can't be 100% sure of what happened at the pier, and if it wasn't for Ougi's fortunate walk, Viletta's knowledge of him would still be a dangerous threat) What I think was cowardly was this: he saw she liked him and didn't know what to do about it, so he just made those emotions go away completely. He saw that he'd hurt a friend and instead of trying to amend those mistakes or making them up to her, he makes it like it never happened at all.

He never makes a promise to renege on, but I just don't believe that the memory erasal was taking responsibility for his actions and his "consequences". That is what I thought was "copping-out".

[shinta|hikari]

Like I said, technically, it is avoiding responsibility, but that was necessary for him to continue his goal, and weve seen just how far he will go for that goal.

Shirley liking him isnt his fault. It is not like he forced her to like him. He doesnt have to take responsibility for that at all. And it is precisely because she likes him that danger may fall on her. I dont really think he ran away from Shirleys feelings, and judging from his words and actions at the end of the episode, if he wasnt Zero they might have even ended up as a couple.

Take note, the problem about amending mistakes is that the person you are amending to must know what you did in order to accept amendment. True there may be exceptions, but those are just absurd examples. Problem is, Shirley couldnt have taken the truth. As we saw in 14, she was on the verge of breaking down. If Lelouch erased her memory even only of the Zero/Mao incident, that would still be avoiding responsibility, no different from what he did, which I believe was necessary.

I said this was taking responsibility, in the sense that this was the only way he could have done it (memory erasal, whether on part or completely) in consideration of the situation. Its not I like his decision though. I think it is cruel to completely erase Shirleys memory, especially without her consent. But Lelouch is cruel, and when he feels justified in doing so he is willing to cross that line, yet still understands the sins he commits. That is what makes him so cool.

I wont be posting here for a while since the raw came out already. (havent watched it yet, dont wanna spoil anything)

[Munsu]

I will not be so quick to judge until I see the next episode and possibly see Lelouch's reasoning behind his actions. He might've felt a sense of desperation at the moment hence why he did it (mistakenly), or he could've really thought it through with the repercussions in mind. For all we know this was the only way of protecting Shirley, remember he can only use Geass on her once, so he might've needed to go drastic to make sure Shirley woúldn't suffer for his actions. If he'd taken a less drastic measure, and it backfires he wouldn't have Geass to use on her again.

[High Wind]

I'm gonna pull a combo breaker here and sort of fly of the hot topic of Shirley Memory Erase, and just get some other questions out of my head.

What intrigued me the most about this episode (besides the much discussed topic at hand) was the fact that another type of Geass has been introduced. The Mind Reading Geass. What I want to know is that since it is a Geass, it would make sense that it has certain restrictions and limitations. What I want to know is what kind of restrictions Mao's Geass has.

As always, looking forward to the next episode of Code Geass, a series which is quickly becoming one of my favourites.

Edit: Maybe his power is the "active" type like Church says below, and the cost of using it is a portion of his sanity. Could explain why he's sort of... "off". That or he could just be totally obsessed with C.C. Meh.

[Church]

Personally I think of mind reading as two types, active and passive; one where the user can control it and choose when and who to mind read and one where the user can't control it, other people's thoughts just pour in (which would probably make the user go nuts easily.) I'm not really sure what Mao's is, but it seems like he has control over it; I can't really think of any restrictions it might have right now.

[shinta|hikari]

An obvious restriction is that he cant read C.C.'s mind, as shown in the last episode. Im thinking Mao cant really shut off his geass at will, or that he has become addicted to using it and cant really just stop. This is because he is in fact wearing sunglasses to hide his geass eyes all the time, and his earphones would techinically prevent him from hearing anything except C.C.'s voice, implying that he never really deactivates his geass.

I find it really interesting how he completely directs his hearing only to C.C.'s voice, and uses his geass to listen to other people's thoughts. Just shows how insanely obsessed he is, which is not a bad thing. A perfect enemy for lelouch I might say.

[RyougaZell]

Everybody keeps talking about Shirley and Mao... yet you forget something important.

Villeta saw Zero's identity. And she is alive... found by Ougi.
Im more interested in knowing if Ougi will find Zero's identity this way, and how will this affect the Order of the Black Knights.

Shirley's memory loss only makes me wonder if Suzaku or Kallen will start wondering how come she forgot everything about Lelouch.

[shinta|hikari]

No one forgot about Viletta. That has been discussed a few posts back, and several possibilities were considered, including my thoughts that ougi will take her somewhere in order to get information on zero.

Of course they will wonder why she lost her memory, what else would they do, blindly accept it? That is, if they find out.

[Munsu]

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[Ryllharu]

Lelouch handled the Shirley-Amnesia situation surprisingly easily. I don't think any of us guessed he'd use such a simple solution. Not only is it plausible to other people in the series, it's something each of us has probably seen in during out time in school.

Viletta's amnesia, I thought that was a bit hackneyed. She got shot, nearly drowned, and she gets cliche injury amnesia. She acts kind of cute when she's not barking out orders though. Ougi, as many guessed, is too curious about Zero to actually have faith in him, like Kallen does. The question now is, what happens with Viletta while she still doesn't remember anything, and more importantly, what happens when she does?

As for Mao, good riddance. Him being around for as long as he was, he was annoying beyond compare (except maybe Creepy Nina).

[Kraco]

I'm not personally so trusting yet what comes to Viletta's amnesia. It could be just a feint to make Ougi careless. Especially since Ougi already seems to have delegated some of his decision making below his belt.

Mao good riddance indeed. I'm not sure what that dood's significance was in the first place. Maybe it was to give some perspective to C.C. and geass and extra chances of giving bits of geass info to the audience, but it certainly didn't do much to advance the bigger plot.

Good ep nonetheless. It looks like the next episode could again begin to move the series forward more forcefully.

[shinta|hikari]

Finally, the sub is out and I can finally post here again.

Im also glad Mao is gone, but I think his introduction actually did a lot more than just add a bit of info on C.C. and geass. It basically changed the nature of the relationship between Lelouch and C.C., (and also provided Lelouch with some really cool scenes in defeating Mao). This closer relationship between C.C. and Lelouch will probably serve to advance the main story now. Since Lelouch claims that he will help her achieve her goal, it will probably be revealed soon.

I loved what Lelouch said about already having the parts of C.C. Mao hasnt even seen. Really nasty, but characteristically cool.

Like I said before, Mao is an absolute idiot, and without his geass, he would be absolutely nothing. I liked the scene when Mao shot C.C. a couple of times and wanted to dismember her. It kind of gave a good contrast to how the two geas hosts treat C.C. Though lelouch is cold to her, I cant imagine him doing such a thing to C.C., and in contrast, the obsessed Mao doesnt seem to give a fuck about chopping and packing her up. Sure she may be immortal, but she obviously feels pain. Im glad Mao is dead, but after what he did to C.C., he deserves a much more gruesome end. (I am obviously biased since I am a BIG C.C. fan)

Come to think of it, why DID C.C. choose Mao in the 1st place? Does he and Lelouch possess anything special? And did C.C. notice this something special since Lelouch was a child, but delayed giving him geass since she feared what happened to the young Mao will occur once again? Im hoping all this will be revealed in the next episode. (I dont have to wait too long since the raw is coming out in a few hours, but that also means I cant post in this thread again til gg releases)