I don't know, but in the documentary which I doubt is false, it showed a man trying to smuggle drugs in a car into china. The cops pulled him over, found the drugs, and it showed to cop talking to the camera (dubbed).Originally Posted by Chaoskiddo
"The punishment for smuggling drugs into china is harsh. This man will now be sentanced to death".
Answer your question?
Are you sure you didn't confuse "sentenced to death" with "sentenced to eat monkey brains" ?
Was the smuggler Chinese? I don't think you get tried under Chinese laws if you aren't a Chinese citizen.
I'm as sure they said "sentanced to death" as I'm sure how useless your post is.
I'm pretty sure the punishment for that law is the same for everyone.
The best part? The Tianemen Square Mausoleum's AC is perpetually on full blast.
Even better? The fake flowers you purchase for the late Chairman are probably recycled by the end of the day.
As a Chinese American, even I could tell the place wasn't for me, just by visiting.
KIMOCHI~II
Consider this Mizu, if you lived in China, you probably would not have been able to make this thread. If you did, you would probably face some nasty consequences.
Doubt they have the authority to sentence, let's say, an American citizen to death for bringing in weed.
I'm also 100% sure that they don't have the death penalty for every case.
Like I said I'm not too sure, what I'm saying is based off what I saw on the show. But let's say an american citizen goes into China and throws a grenade into a restaurante, picks up an AK-47 and shoots 37 people. I'm pretty sure China would have the authority to shoot the man on sight.
Smuggling drugs and mass homicide are both crimes punishable by death in China, why would they have the authority to properly punish one and not the other? (Like I said, I am not entirely sure, I'm just wondering)
Did some quick research on the Chinese Death Penalty:
http://www.deadfrog.us/index.php?act=entry&id=7135
Rivaled only by Texas, I'm sure (The People’s Republic of China continues to carry out more judicial executions than the rest of the world combined. In addition, despite having the largest population in the world, China possibly executes a higher proportion of its population than any other countrynative Texan speaking). But here's the real (highly relevant) meat:
Boy, what a place...I'm no government student, but I'm sure this system is not entirely fair.Behind these facts lies a criminal justice system which cannot and does not guarantee a fair trial under international law to defendants. Often defendants are denied their right to legal representation until after they have been interrogated, and even then, access in practice is strictly limited. The period of pre-arrest or pre-trial detention is often arbitrary, lasting in one extreme case for 28 years. Torture by police in China is rife, but there is no provision under Chinese law to exclude from court ‘confessions’ or other ‘evidence’ extorted through torture. In practice, there is no presumption of innocence.
From Wikipedia:
It doesn't mention narcotics anywhere in there, but I'd imagine if they've applied the death penalty to non-violent theft in cases, they might apply it to drug posession. Also:Capital punishment is applied flexibly to a wide range of crimes, some of which are punishable by death in no other judicial system in the world. Economic crimes such as tax fraud have appeared routinely among the dockets of those receiving the death sentence, as have relatively small-scale drug offenses. Death is also frequently imposed on repeat offenders whose individual crimes would be considered relatively minor in most judicial systems, such as non-violent theft or causing incidental bodily harm that is not life threatening or debilitating. Capital punishment is also imposed on inchoate crimes, that is, attempted crimes which are not actually fully carried out, including repeat offenses such as attempted theft or attempted fraud. The recidivistic nature of the offenses, not their seriousness per se, is what is adjudicated to merit the capital sentence. One could hardly fail to note certain similarities between the executions of repeat offenders in China as part of the "Strike Hard" campaigns and the "three strikes" policy in California which puts repeat offenders behind bars for life even if individual offenses have been relatively minor.
You've gotta be shitting me. That's too funny/ridiculous to be true.The best part? The Tianemen Square Mausoleum's AC is perpetually on full blast.
Last edited by XanBcoo; Mon, 10-02-2006 at 08:35 PM.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Mizuchi, you should start working at a travelling bureau. Your zest when it comes to promoting a country where people apparently take dumps on the streets in broad daylight is nothing short of legendary.
"Yes, come to China now! The land of the future! But don't bring anything with you, it might literally kill you! Har har, just kidding (or am I?). Order now and one of our highly educated 9-year olds will in a moment supply you with all your needs, be they stealing your social life or just reading a few segments of Mao Zedong litterature out loud! Top off your dreamy vacation by attempting to gather rice from any of the already depleted farms, this vastly overpopulated country will not hesitate to give you the vacation of YOUR dreams!"
Comedy in the name of bad taste +1.
@XanBcoo
I thank you, now maybe people will realize that yes, there is infact a death penalty for smuggling drugs, even if it took about 10 tries to get them to realize that. Atleast we have terra to entertain us along our path to enlightenment.
I'm no government student either, but I think this is to prevent bribes, blackmail, and corruption among those in the judicial branch. It is much easier for them in their huge population to say, if you break the law, you die, than to have a court meeting every time someone in their 1.3 billion population commits a crime. Also, I think it is an attempt to become one step closer to a more perfect society where wrong-doers don't exist. When my brother worked at the local Shop Rite, one of his black friends we knew from a long time ago who also worked at Shop Rite had moved to Virginia or Georgia (can't remember which). There one of his white friends murdered a black persion, and nothing happened to him. In fear he moved back up north. Maybe China's policy is to prevent this?
That made me chuckle.
Last edited by Mizuchi; Mon, 10-02-2006 at 08:48 PM.
Mizuchi, I didn't look all that up in hopes of supporting you, I did it to provide some basis on fact with reliable information and sources. This is what you should have done in the first place, instead of making almost random claims based on a show you didn't provide much information about (can we at least have a link to a review of the documentary or something??). On top of that, you said yourself you were somewhat unsure of the details:You started this thread with next to no knowledge of the subject, yet you defended your highly misinformed opinion adamantly, even when you were presented with opposing information coming from people who have actually been to and lived in China. Don't you dare say "I told you so".
I have no idea. I'm completely disinterested in politics, but at least now you're thinking about what you write. I take back about half of what I just said. Though I must say, I don't think executing every other criminal is the best way of going about creating a "perfect society". That's completely insane.
Last edited by XanBcoo; Mon, 10-02-2006 at 09:50 PM.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
On the subject whether or not there was a death penalty on smuggling drugs, yes I did have knowledge that there was, where people who had no knowledge of the subject claimed there wasn't. This thread was meant for people who saw the documentary, and you can probably find a review on it using www.google.com
Insane in our opinions, yes. But perhaps for the chinese government (or whatever type of leadership they have), it would be a huge hassle to set up a court with that dense of a population. We in america have enough court cases as it is, try multiplying that by over 4.
Also, it might very well be their way of achieving a "perfect society". The police officer even said after making the arrest, something like "I feel very proud about my job. I feel like every day I am removing parts of the dark side of China."
Last edited by Mizuchi; Mon, 10-02-2006 at 09:04 PM.
Mizuchi, what I meant was I question the age of the documentary (when it was made)
xDM: dont you give up your american rights when you cross the border?
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
Does it matter when it was made if it's still in use?
I'm pretty sure that you do have to obey the laws of the country you're in, however something like the death penalty has different rules I'm sure. I mean, I doubt they could just kill a citizen of another country without the UN getting involved.
'Kay. I found the show's official site for anyone interested: http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...lik=visit_site. From what I can tell it does seem to address China's destitute population. I found a quote from some rice farmers saying "we can now eat better, and we have better clothes. Now, we've even bought a fridge and a TV!" and a quote from a middle aged construction worker saying "I just want to buy a car. Any car will do." And these are supposed to be the people representative of China's population. Given this, how did you form such a positive opinion about China, Mizuchi? Surely you don't think that because 5th graders are taking Algebra 2, and that some gymnast feels she's accomplished that it makes China's system ideal. Though, I didn't see the whole show, so I can't say much else.
Golly! Well if that is indeed true I'm glad I don't live there. Again, I'm directly referring to your first post, hyping China's values. So far, we've had more "cons" than "pros" in terms of a Western way of thinking about China.Insane in our opinions, yes. But perhaps for the chinese government (or whatever type of leadership they have), it would be a huge hassle to set up a court with that dense of a population. We in america have enough court cases as it is, try multiplying that by over 4.
Also, it might very well be their way of achieving a "perfect society". The police officer even said after making the arrest, something like "I feel very proud about my job. I feel like every day I am removing parts of the dark side of China."
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Yes, I understand what you are trying to say. All i can say is try to find a download of the clip and watch it, so you might get a better understanding from my point of view.
Construction worker wants to buy a car?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
The cost to buy a car and maintain it in China is absurd. For a construction worker to even consider this idea is hard for me to believe, unless by car he means one of those ghetto "tri-wheel cars" or one of those shitty 8' pickup. The word "car" in Chinese can mean any automobile. But if he meant a Jetta (typical taxi car) then I'm sorry, they interviewed someone with mental disorders.
PS: This is a "tri-wheel car."
This is a shitty 8' pickup:
Last edited by Board of Command; Mon, 10-02-2006 at 10:38 PM.
China is a pure, absolute shit hole (literally apparantly), and anyone who says it isn't has no clue what they're talking about (Mizuchi).
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