Death Note

[el_boss]

Interesting ep.

Misa is really stupid.

Seems like Light is going to discard Ryuk or something. But wouldn't he lose all his memories connected to that note? Maybe it's connected to his masterplan to clear his name.

Also I've thought of something. Can you extend your life with the death note? I mean if you write "dies peacefully in his sleep year 3000". But the death sentence probably has to be within the persons life span. Even though, Light could give him self life-insurance by writing that he will die of old age after living out all his days. That would also make Rem unable to kill him.

[Inazuma]

Has to be within the target's lifespan.

[David75]

The way shinigami die if they use the DN to prevent someone from dying indicate that the DN must be used to have people die before the time they would with their natural lifespan.

[el_boss]

Ok, but he can still use it as life insurance. Will die on [entire lifespan]-1. Then he can do whatever he wants for the rest of his life and theres no chance that he'll die.

[Psyke]

. I'm not quite sure if this was explained in the anime, but it was in the movie and in the first 4 mangas in between the chapters. I won't explain more as it might contain possible spoilers. Good thinking on this point though.

[masamuneehs]

Ok, but he can still use it as life insurance. Will die on [entire lifespan]-1. Then he can do whatever he wants for the rest of his life and theres no chance that he'll die.

This doesn't make sense. First, if the Death Note owner knows a lifespan, what good does entering "Will die on _lifespan end date_" do in the first place? That's already when they'd die from natural causes or whatever is supposed to kill them in the first place! It doesn't ensure that person will live longer, because naturally they'd make it that far anyway, but no further.

Second, writing "die peacefully in the year 3000" is impossible. So, like people who had elaborate deaths that were impossible to fulfill, that person will just die of a heart attack instead in the standard time as if no date had been set. At least, that's what Light's explanation and the rules so far have indicated to me.

Third, Death Note owners are a little different from regular people. Didn't Misa explain how she figured out who Light was? ...I need to catch up to the anime... not going to say anything else

and, sorry psyke, but i editted your post because there seems to be some stuff in it that hasn't been covered yet in the anime.

[el_boss]

This doesn't make sense. First, if the Death Note owner knows a lifespan, what good does entering "Will die on _lifespan end date_" do in the first place? That's already when they'd die from natural causes or whatever is supposed to kill them in the first place! It doesn't ensure that person will live longer, because naturally they'd make it that far anyway, but no further.

Second, writing "die peacefully in the year 3000" is impossible. So, like people who had elaborate deaths that were impossible to fulfill, that person will just die of a heart attack instead in the standard time as if no date had been set. At least, that's what Light's explanation and the rules so far have indicated to me.

Third, Death Note owners are a little different from regular people. Didn't Misa explain how she figured out who Light was? ...I need to catch up to the anime... not going to say anything else

and, sorry psyke, but i editted your post because there seems to be some stuff in it that hasn't been covered yet in the anime.

So the life span shows how much they will live even if some accident will happen? I mean does it show the absolute life span, and nothing can ever change it (except a death god).

Even though, it will still provide protection against other death gods, since you can only kill a person in one death note. So Rem wouldn't be able to kill him.

[Psyke]

No problem.... Do as you see fit, please. I'm getting confused too, because I'm following this series on 3 mediums. But the strange thing is that some key info are released during certain events or are emphasized more. I'm referring to the manga....

I'm catching up with the manga to the point of the anime, but nothing more as I wanna enjoy the anime better. However, there are certain important points which I picked up from the manga which weren't so obvious in the anime..... There might be some reason to this, but it's not stopping me from getting the manga in case I miss out anything. Damn I'm really getting hooked. And those manga ain't cheap....

[David75]

1)
Regarding the DN owner lifespan:
He/she can not get is, even with the eyes.
Their Shinigami will never tell them.

2)
Other rule:
You can not postpone a death over 19 or 23 days.

With the problem in 1) combined with the rule in 2) It seems pretty obvious it's impossible
for a DN owner to increase their lifespan, provided they are not a shinigami.

The last sentence reminds me that Ryuk told Light that a Human cannot extend their lifespan with the DN. It was when he was telling Light about differences beetween shinigamis and humans having a DN.

Lifespan:
To me, Lifespan is the number of days/years someone should live provided their name isn't written on a DN.
So basically it's their ramaining lifetime, before any DN action.

c u

[Kraco]

What I'm looking forward to is how Light thinks he will get Misa out of the holding cell. Misa didn't confess anything so far, and obviously she won't confess anything now that she has forgotten everything. So, to an outside observer nothing seems to have changed. But forgetting she killed lots of people isn't going to set her free... The evidence looked pretty good, after all. Her trial wouldn't be quite ordinary anyway, because the method of killing is a mystery.

And in any case, you would think Light's influence might have suffered some setbacks from being Misa's new boyfriend...

[David75]

What I'm looking forward to is how Light thinks he will get Misa out of the holding cell. Misa didn't confess anything so far, and obviously she won't confess anything now that she has forgotten everything. So, to an outside observer nothing seems to have changed. But forgetting she killed lots of people isn't going to set her free... The evidence looked pretty good, after all. Her trial wouldn't be quite ordinary anyway, because the method of killing is a mystery.

And in any case, you would think Light's influence might have suffered some setbacks from being Misa's new boyfriend...

They've got the vids... but it's difficult to tell wether she really killed or not, for the reason that the DN is not known yet.

I guess that the most important detail of the ep, was Rem moving Misa's hair... and also part of her words that clearly showed a conversation, rather that just queries for her death.

[Yukimura]

I couldn't wait to watch a decent sub of ep 15 so here I am. Observations, L is an asshole, Watari is one mean mofo. I don't know how things work in Japan but it's generaly frowned upon in the US to torture people (especially teenage girls, though in the grand scheme that's not as important) even on suspicion of mass murder. This just shows that L is just as bad as Light when it comes to his respect for 'the rules'. Also his comment about using the same trick twice made me snap to a judgement that he may have a twin brother or something that would help protect him from a Kirassination.

Another observation, Light is a little bit stupid b/c of his impatience. He shouldn't have altered his behavior right after Misa left. He had nothing to do and was going to get some cake then Misa shows up and suddenly he's going to the bathroom. Now a plasible story could be concocted since it was obvious that Misa knew him and he could have just been politely lying so he could call and arrange a tryst or something, but it's still another thing Kira might have done that would raise L's suspicions.

Now we've got Rem becoming Light's Death God and he's saying bye to Ryuk which means he may be planning to give his Note to someone else, possibly as a way of creating a false secnd Kira to get Misa out.

[Munsu]

I couldn't wait to watch a decent sub of ep 15 so here I am. Observations, L is an asshole, Watari is one mean mofo. I don't know how things work in Japan but it's generaly frowned upon in the US to torture people (especially teenage girls, though in the grand scheme that's not as important) even on suspicion of mass murder.

I guess you need to watch more 24 and Sleeper Cell.

[Kraco]

Another observation, Light is a little bit stupid b/c of his impatience. He shouldn't have altered his behavior right after Misa left. He had nothing to do and was going to get some cake then Misa shows up and suddenly he's going to the bathroom. Now a plasible story could be concocted since it was obvious that Misa knew him and he could have just been politely lying so he could call and arrange a tryst or something, but it's still another thing Kira might have done that would raise L's suspicions.

I don't really see the big deal about that sudden call of the bathroom or the phone call. Misa is a celebrity and obviously quite an impulsive person. Under normal circumstances a guy like Light could have just called her to berate her for suddenly showing up there and causing such a commotion when all the people recognized her. She left so suddenly that he hardly had time to say anything. And a phone call is a private conversation that can be used to say anything. Going to the bathroom is quite a universal excuse.

[Stoopider]

Edit: Forget about it. Just read the last few pages.

[Yukimura]

@Bud Oh I love 24, and I don't mind torture usually, I think this is just the first time I remember seeing a Jack Bauer level breach of civil liberties in an anime. Maybe I should rethink my position on L, however I don't trust L's motives as much as I trust Jack Bauer's so maybe that's why I was so shocked.

[seanos]

I think the reason for the 'torture' was to show how desperate they were.
L realised how close he came to dying - so he was ready to do anything to save his own life - quite natural.
Though the police at the scene had shocked looks etc, there was no objection or questioning of the act.
As for torture ... I'm not all that sure it was.
Police/L know that Kira(2) can kill by only a face, they have no idea of the Death Note, for all they know Kira(2) just needs to think it, or maybe perform a hand/foot gesture (odd image building up inside my own mind now....), so it's natural they be 100% sure Kira(2) cannot see/move/interact with anything.
Now we did see a syringe being filled - it would be my impression that this was some kind of truth serum as opposed to a torture method...

I would think the reason Light is giving up his death note is so that he can forget everything; so if he is caught, he will seem innocent (and as far as he is concerned, he is innocent). The false-second Kira idea is also interesting, and probably fits with above.

[el_boss]

Why didn't Rem kill everyone and save Misa?

[woofcat]

Because then he would die.

[Yukimura]

That wouldn't have happened unless Misa was supposed to die there. However the fact that Rem knows Misa's life span (which should be large assuming that the death god that died for her probably had quite at least a few lifetimes that he transfered to Misa) but wants the torture to stop implies that Rem cares about her physical and emotional well being, which could come into play later. But el_boss's question raises a good point, as long as it wouldn't affect Misa's proper death Rem could have killed Watari at least for messing with her, instead she came to Light to get her out, very suspicious.

EDIT Death Note != death god