Forum Rules on Spoilers

[masamuneehs]

to address some of the things quickly:

Spoiler tags: I'm all for them. As long as they're used in compliance with the rules though.

Honoko's point: It's almost impossible to encourage good discussion of all the animes w/o their own sections and not allow detailed info to be shared. Entering the last pages of discussion on a show that's towards (or reached) its end is a risk the reader has to consider.

Identifying someone else's post as a spoiler: We have several ways that you can bring a spoiler to the staff's attention, reporting the post, PMing the staff or PMing the person.

If, for example in the Naruto anime thread, before the Chuunin Exam arc starts, someone posts: "You think ____ is a worthless character? Just wait until you see how much ass he kicks in the Chuunin Exam!" (before the Chuunin Exam's been done in the anime)

And then someone says: "____ getting to the finals of the Chuunin Exam is a spoiler"

They are both obviously spoiling.

But if for example someone started specualting on what might happen in later episodes with: "Maybe ____ will become the next Kazekage"

And someone quotes that and says: "SPOILER!" Then obviously only the idiot posting second is the one doing the spoiling.

Upcoming episode titles can have spoilers in them, and you all know that. Currently the episode title topics in Bleach and Naruto are fine, because the material is all fillers, and you can't really spoil those unless you've been secretly drinking with the monkeys who write those scripts.

But why would we need to know the names of upcoming episodes after the shows get back on track? At that point the Upcoming Episode Titles thread WILL almost certainly be moved to Open Discussion, because any discussion about those episode titles will obviously contain manga references and spoilers.

Consider this: Showing the title of episode 95 of Naruto BEFORE anyone even knows who Tsunade is.
Also, the "Soul Society arc" being referenced early on in Bleach.

Right now we have those threads in the Naruto and Bleach anime sections because the shows are in a lull and people want to know what's happening without having to watch the episodes.

If lots of people feel like posting episode titles in the anime only sections should continue, then it'll happen. But if one of those episode titles or arc names is a spoiler, would you say just leave it there?

edit - goddamnit Budweineken beating me to the punch!
But I still think moving the upcoming episode titles thread from Naruto anime to Naruto Open Discussion is advisable. Heck, the Open Discussion section exists almost exactly for threads like that. What to do with the Bleach one is more debatable...

[Munsu]

edit - goddamnit Budweineken beating me to the punch!
But I still think moving the upcoming episode titles thread from Naruto anime to Naruto Open Discussion is advisable. Heck, the Open Discussion section exists almost exactly for threads like that. What to do with the Bleach one is more debatable...

Yeah, I edited my post, I think you're right after reading your post.

For the Bleach one, I say simply lock it up once the fillers end.

Those threads are really not needed once the fillers end, else why do you think both of those threads only popped up once the Fillers started? Because there was no need for them before and also because it was against the rules.

[xDarkMaster]

So the reason not to post that something is a spoiler is b/c it proves it a spoiler.

If I may say so, that is totally pointless. Assuming the person is actually spoiling and not speculating (Masa) then a person is supposed to PM them or a mod. Well, let's say someone goes Naruto kills the Fifth Hokage (obviously not true).

I PM the person and assuming he/she isn't a complete ass he/she removes the post. People thus know it was a spoiler.

I PM a mod, they remove it telling the person not to spoil again, people know it was a spoiler.

I post "That is a spoiler please remove it," (while not furthering spoiling) he removes the post, people know it was a spoiler. What's the difference?

[Munsu]

The difference is that only one or two people got affected by the spoiler, instead of everyone that reads the thread.

[xDarkMaster]

...no.

Assuming all this happens in about the same amount of time, I fail to see your logic. If one tells the spoiler to remove simply by going "Spoiler, remove" (with NO further spoiling or referencing of the spoiler) and he removes it, everyone that reads the thread would know there was a spoiler posted, but how would they know what the spoiler is?

[dragonrage]

@ Budweineken :

You have raised some very good and sound points. You're right I am new to actually posting on the forums and not just lurking (DrAgE). You're right about it being more useful during this filler arc. Seeing that no one really cares or more importantly no one knows for sure what is going too happen. But when/if the anime gets back to the manga storyline, manga readers would have the upper hand and speculation will turn into spoiling. So the discussion in the thread would be utterly useless since it would not be about theories but about leaking the plot of the episode. I do recall a few heated discussion; if you can call it that about spoiling stuff that preceed episode 135.

But I still think the thread should be allowed, no discussion though, I know that would make the thread boring, but it would still serve to satisfy the curiousity of the interested. After all it would just be basically relaying the information that other sites provide.

I would like to ask that the thread not be dealt with until the anime actually gets back on track, if ever.

I do agree that the title would only be allowed in that specific thread and nowhere else in the anime only section.

@ masamuneehs

I disagree, I would rather see the thread be locked than be moved. Plain and simple there are and there will be alot of spoiler titles in that section anyways it would do more harm than good for the members that are actually interested in the thread. But I guess that is the very reason why that warning under the title of that section exist.

But like I said I ask that all decisions concerning this thread be put off until the anime actually gets back on track, because as for now it serves a good purpose as it is.


Edit: I see that you have already decided. If and when the anime gets back on track lock them.

[Munsu]

@xDM

They wouldn't, but lets say there's a lag in action from a mod... Then all of you that know that it is a spoiler keep refferencing and identifying a single post as a spoiler then the chances of other members of the community reading it and becoming aware of it will increase exponentially. Otherwise, the post might have the chance of going unoticed to the great majority, and that's what we want. That's only one of several advantages of having that rule in place.

[xDarkMaster]

I see your point, although I still don't agree. You seem to think that I am saying a mod will remove the spoiler after reading the post saying it was a spoiler, while I am saying the person that posted the spoiler would remove it. If not, w/e.

Let's leave it at that since you guys obviously aren't going to change these rules anytime soon.

[masamuneehs]

i made this topic because I am serious about using your input in the rules. But if you have poor logic behind your points, it's not going to happen.

xdark: Confirming a spoiler reveals to everyone who comes across it that it is a spoiler. PMing a mod/that person and having them edit the post does not. People will see that there WAS a spoiler there, but they won't know what it was, and therefore not get spoiled.

Example:
Idiot 1: "N@ruto k1llZ da 5th H0kagee!1"
Idiot 2: "OMFG that's a spoiler!"

Now everyone reading these posts is spoiled.

Example 2:
Idiot 1: "N@ruto k1llZ da 5th H0kagee!1"
Smart person: PMs a mod/reports the post/contacts idiot1
Mod/Idiot: Edits the post, so now it reads:
"Spoiler removed. Don't be an idiot and read the rules. Warned."

Remeber, sometimes someone will throw a 'spoiler' out there, even through random speculation. But if someone then comes along and verifies that that speculation is a spoiler, then people take it to heart and get spoiled.

I'm not quite sure how i can explain it to you. Do other people see why that rule would be in place?

Drage: don't sweat it, those threads won't be moved until fillers end. like you pointed out, for better or worse they do raise alot of discussion in their areas.

But once the fillers do end, and if those topics stay in the anime sections, do you really think people will only post episode titles, no comments or anything, in them?

Locking the thread post fillers is a pretty good suggestion actually... Moving it to Open Discussion means that anime only viewers would get spoiled by looking for future episode titles (as spoilers would be permissible if it was in Open)

It may be a huge headache to patrol an episode titles thread in the anime only section after the fillers end. If people want it to stay, it'll stay. But I'll be the first to say it's just asking for trouble.

[mage]

So the reason not to post that something is a spoiler is b/c it proves it a spoiler.

If I may say so, that is totally pointless. Assuming the person is actually spoiling and not speculating (Masa) then a person is supposed to PM them or a mod. Well, let's say someone goes Naruto kills the Fifth Hokage (obviously not true).

I PM the person and assuming he/she isn't a complete ass he/she removes the post. People thus know it was a spoiler.

I PM a mod, they remove it telling the person not to spoil again, people know it was a spoiler.

I post "That is a spoiler please remove it," (while not furthering spoiling) he removes the post, people know it was a spoiler. What's the difference?

When they remove the post, if they got to it in a timely manner, the majority of the forum probably would not have seen it. Also, some people may not realize it's a spoiler, but when someone posts "That's a spoiler," it makes it kind of obvious. Are you suggesting that the mods just leave the spoiler there for everyone to see?