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    Naruto 321

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    I think this one is A LOT more interesting than last week's.

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    I'm pretty sure anything is more interesting then last weeks ch.

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    Wow, I have mixed feelings for this chapter. On one hand, it's definitely more interesting than last week's - on the other hand, Kakashi proposes a few.... unbelievable things that, however, are ultimately a given.

    I'd translate it for you guys but I have to leave for school... and I'm pretty sure a few translations will pop up soon enough, so for the moment, I'll just summarize and label that there are spoilers underneath this.... also, spoilers from my translation, so it can differ from the ones that appear next.





    Kakashi tells Naruto that he'll show him something "interesting" and takes him off to the training place, where they review what's needed for the creation of the new jutsu; the Chakra Form training (transforming one's chakra into an element) which Naruto already perfected in the training at the waterfall and Chakra Manipulating, which Naruto, too, has already - the Rasengan is a jutsu based on pure chakra manipulation.

    Naruto then gets all excited and claims that creating a new jutsu will be easy, since he perfected both techniqes with such an ease. Kakashi, however, goes on to show him that he, too, can create the Rasengan - after all, he was the forth's pupil.

    But, Kakashi can't mix the two techniques. He can't force his chakra into an attack, i.e. Rasengan and give said attack his elemental abilities. In other words, he can't create a Lighting Rasengan, for instance, and according to him, not even the Fourth Hokage was able to. Mixing the two techniques together is an S rank ability, or perhaps even higher - it can be pretty much impossible by what they know.

    Kakashi, however, has hopes for Naruto. If anyone can, it's him - because Kakashi believes Naruto is the only shinobi who can surpass the Fourth, and that's not just motivational talk, he really believes so.

    The chapter shifts to the Akatsuki, where the guy at the corpse storage warns Kakuzu that money will make him noticeable, but Kakuzu doesn't care. Outside, Shikamaru has noticed that Asuma is acting strangely - he has stopped smoking, something he did only when the Third Hokage died, and Asuma explains that he and Chiriki were close friends - like Shikamaru and Chouji are, but Shikamaru doesn't believe that's why he quit smoking.

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    Itas a Fact naruto is pro haha, he will do it!!

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    so... the awsome new technique we`ve been waiting for is a wind rasengan? o.0

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    Foo, all the rasengans we've seen up to this point had been incomplete
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    No matter what the rasengan is gonna be incomplete only the 4th could complete it all the way not even jiraya. I know i read this somewhere dont remember exactly where though.

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    Another chapter where nothing much happens. This is getting boring I was hoping that at least Asumas team would encounter with the akatsuki to have a battle royale on the next chapter.

    There are a few tranlations out there and by what I read they say that even the 4th couldnt mix both manipulations in one jutsu, we can say in his behalf that he died being pretty young so maybe in time he would do it.

    Kakashi believes that naruto can do it (getting one of the most powerful jutsu in the world, even if he said something about other S-rank jutsus they dont know about) Im guessing that maybe kakashi knew that the 4th was close to do it and naruto being his son..


    Personaly if I was Kakashi I would teach Naruto about the sharingan (he has to defeat 2 users) and how to fight against genjutsu (mangekyou or not). Giving him a powerboost to the rasengan doesnt make much sense, he is not lacking destructive power.

    Edit: this is a question for someone to explain to me. Is chidori a jutsu that combines both form and nature manipulation or its only nature?
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    Chidori is a 90% nature & 10% form jutsu because according to Kakashi, he only use the form to control the range of chidori, nothing more unlike rasengan which form also do some damage.

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    By the end of this series Kakashi will have Byakugan in his other eye, develop three bloodline limits and shoot bone projectiles out of the end of his cock with 100% accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edort4
    Another chapter where nothing much happens. This is getting boring I was hoping that at least Asumas team would encounter with the akatsuki to have a battle royale on the next chapter.

    There are a few tranlations out there and by what I read they say that even the 4th couldnt mix both manipulations in one jutsu, we can say in his behalf that he died being pretty young so maybe in time he would do it.

    Kakashi believes that naruto can do it (getting one of the most powerful jutsu in the world, even if he said something about other S-rank jutsus they dont know about) Im guessing that maybe kakashi knew that the 4th was close to do it and naruto being his son..


    Personaly if I was Kakashi I would teach Naruto about the sharingan (he has to defeat 2 users) and how to fight against genjutsu (mangekyou or not). Giving him a powerboost to the rasengan doesnt make much sense, he is not lacking destructive power.

    Edit: this is a question for someone to explain to me. Is chidori a jutsu that combines both form and nature manipulation or its only nature?
    Im a little confused also but i think chidori is nature while rasengan is form. Also they say the 4th couldnt do both with the rasengan and niether could kakashi. I was wondering what was the use of creating chidori if its just as powerful as rasengan lol.

    I actually enjoyed this chapter since it was good developement into the story and brought back the 4th in a way which is always good imo. What i really see naruto needing is a boost in speed like lee and sasuke since its to easy to dodge naruto's attack when useing rasengan. Like when he fought kabuto, kabuto dodged it and said he cant catch him with such movements.

    Ohhh on another note Kakashi is God! controling 3 of the more powerful techniques in the manga that we have seen so far. I wont be surprised if he has the sealing technique the 4th and 3rd used calling the death god.

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    Kakashi said his rasengan couldn't evolve any further because his chakra element form isn't compatible with the chakra manipulation. This implies that, regardless of skill, there's still a limit to a ninja's abilities. The impression I had was that the 4th's element form wasn't compatible with rasengan as well. In other words, perhaps only wind users can complete the rasengan. Does this mean asuma could perfect the rasengan? If he had the training and talent that kakashi has, then chances are, probably.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    Kakashi said his rasengan couldn't evolve any further because his chakra element form isn't compatible with the chakra manipulation. This implies that, regardless of skill, there's still a limit to a ninja's abilities. The impression I had was that the 4th's element form wasn't compatible with rasengan as well. In other words, perhaps only wind users can complete the rasengan. Does this mean asuma could perfect the rasengan? If he had the training and talent that kakashi has, then chances are, probably.
    Interesting point. That is what i thought too since rasengan look like a small typoon or tornado. Maybe it goes well with wind. However, isn't Kakashi know how to make wind too? he said most of jounin can control at least 2 nature isn't it? and he has the sharingan that can copy or ther jutsu too.

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    chidori is definitely a mix of both form and nature because in a previous chapter kakashi explained how it took sasuke a few weeks to learn the nature before he could start the form. kakashi also says that if chidori were just form, then there would be no point in him having invented it. the mix of form and nature is what makes it destructive, explaining why naruto's incomplete although powered up rasengan lost to sasuke's lvl 2 chidori at the end of part 1

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    chidori is a sloppy jutsu. It's probably mostly form and little manipulation used to shape the form.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meteros
    chidori is definitely a mix of both form and nature because in a previous chapter kakashi explained how it took sasuke a few weeks to learn the nature before he could start the form. kakashi also says that if chidori were just form, then there would be no point in him having invented it. the mix of form and nature is what makes it destructive, explaining why naruto's incomplete although powered up rasengan lost to sasuke's lvl 2 chidori at the end of part 1

    it didnt lose to it both stoped each other only diffrence is sasuke just punches naruto in the stomace to knock him out, and naruto just scratched his forehead protector.

    From the translations ive read it says nothing about kakashi or the 4th not being able to add there element to the rasengan becasue of incompatability. From how the translations sound like it just seems that rasengan is a high lvl jutsu that is extremely hard to add your nature to it.

    They even say it rare for shinobi to form and change the nature of there chakra at the same time, maybe its just harder with rasengan because of the perfect sphere form you must make with it to be effective.

    I have also read that the 4th created rasengan specifically for his element ( most likely wind) but since the rasengan is th highest form of chkra manipulation it was way more difficult.

    heres the link if you need the translation

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    Perhaps, and in the first scanslation they had up, kakashi says "my lightning wont fuse with the rasengan"
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    for some reason, Kakashi blasting out a rasengan (wasn't it said that only Jiraya and the 4th could do it?) troubles me less than the time he blasted out a M.Sharingan, though I'm suprised that it was said the 4th spent 3 years mastering the Rasengan and he still couldn't take it to the next level.. heck, who am I to judge?

    by the way, do we know what was "That" Jutsu Jiraya was talking about?

    next, Akatsuki KUzan and what's his name are still fun, though the bounty idea is totally stupid (Logically speaking, who has enough cash to put out a contract like that?only villiages and rich lords should be able to do so, and why put money on a monk's head?). but all and all, I miss Zetsu.

    Lastly, Asume, we get the point already, he's gonna die,can we move on already?

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    Yay for Naruto suddenly being able to advance just because he's the main character, way to destroy hundreds of chapters of establishing him as a dumbass - now he's gonna surpass the 4th. Yay.

    Worst main character ever.

    Other than that, nothing much happened; I still like last week's chapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
    by the way, do we know what was "That" Jutsu Jiraya was talking about?
    nope, it hasn't been mentioned since jiraya brought it up. i think it has something to do with the kyuubi.

    next, Akatsuki KUzan and what's his name are still fun, though the bounty idea is totally stupid (Logically speaking, who has enough cash to put out a contract like that?only villiages and rich lords should be able to do so, and why put money on a monk's head?). but all and all, I miss Zetsu.
    whos to say a village didnt put a bounty on him? just because 2 villages are at peace now doesnt mean any past conflicts would be forgotten and konoha has been in 2 major conflicts that we know of. one with the hidden stone and one with hidden cloud. im sure those villages have reason enough to put bounties on konohas most powerful ninjas.

    Lastly, Asume, we get the point already, he's gonna die,can we move on already?
    i hope he doesnt i like his character.

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