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Last edited by LaZie; Thu, 07-20-2006 at 08:47 PM.
Kishimoto must really think we're dumb if he has to make Naruto ask "What's mokuton?" It did allow Kakashi to explain two natures=bloodline, though. Of course that begs the question, what two natures are things like Sharingan and Byakugan?
EDIT: Well, I guess it does make sense that he would ask that since it's not one of the five elements, but it should be fucking obvious? Kishi also dodged another bullet by making it to where he doesn't have to explain other jutsu like shadow, baika, and genjutsus, too, which was pretty gay.
Hopefully the story is about to pick up since Asuma is talking about Naruto being the "king" of Konoha like a king in shougi.
"The Nightmare Begins" is the next chapter title. That better be fucking good or im going to go break something beautiful.
Last edited by mage; Thu, 07-20-2006 at 06:17 AM.
nice chapter, the whole shikimaru asuma thing was done greatly
What was the point of having Naruto show a tiny bit of analytical thinking only to make Kakashi refuse to answer him? Damn you, plot devices.
I think Kishi was like
"What happens if the reader wonders about shadow and baiku and all that other non element related stuffs?"
"Well...I better aknowledge it, but I don't feel like pulling anything out of my ass right now to explain it. Maybe later"
Nice way of explaining why wood jutsus aren't part of the 5 elements.
The part between Shikamaru and Asuma was great.
The title of the next chapter is promising. Hopefully all the ge... err... ex-rookie 8 + 3 will participate on this battle.
Naruto is the king piece? i dont think thats the case. I think the king is something more lame and stupid like personal beliefs or one's "way of the ninja" that a person must protect at all costs. Or maybe Konoha itself is the 'king', metaphorically speakingOriginally Posted by mage
Last edited by Splash!; Thu, 07-20-2006 at 12:01 PM.
He was referring to Naruto as the king piece when Shikamaru asked him if the king piece of Konoha was the hokage, and Asuma said "No, You'll understand soon enough." The fact that this scene was spliced in with Naruto's training makes it pretty obvious. No other character is important enough to be the "king" besides the hokage, and he already said that's not who he was referring to.Originally Posted by splash
Last edited by mage; Thu, 07-20-2006 at 12:02 PM.
Good chapter overall I'm really glad that the manga seems to have a very clear direction right now.
Also it seems that all that having a affinity for a aspect means is that you can use a ability from one of the 5 main schools. Its pretty clear jounins all have most if not all available to them as we have clearly seen Kakashi use atleast Lightning, Fire and Water already. It also makes the sharingan much less powerful as you can only use abilities you have a affinity for.
It would have been so much cooler if this elemental stuff had been in the series since the beginning and not just blatantly inserted.
I think that this is exactly what spalsh was saying, that king thing is too important to be only one person, its obvious that there are "important" persons but none of them are irreplaceable (something similar to what the 3rd hokage said). I too think that it is some kind of idea or feeling, like konoha as whole thing or that thing they talked about when hokage died the fire of konoha or that bs he was refering continuously when he was fighting orochimaru.Originally Posted by mage
I have to say that I get a different feeling when I read this chapter. I get the feeling that this chapter is for the readers, to explain them (and prove them) that kishimoto knows what he is doing. He doesnt just take out new things from his hat without thinking, he is proving that everything is conected and that this 5 element shit wich some of us thought was crap that invented a few weeks before its connected to the begining of the series.
And that part about kagemane and other strange jutsus etc is like saying: "I can explain this too with some ying yang basics, is it really neccesary for to explain it to make you believe that I know what im talking about? Do I have to waste my time explaining myself?"
When I was reading this chapter it felt like a slap. He just silenced all those voices that where saying that this new 5 element thing is bullshit and that he is just doing as he wants without any coherence.
About someone saying that jounins feel powerfull now, I say: it was time! Throughout the manga I always had the feeling that there was almost no difference between gennin and chunnin and that 2 or 3 (or even 1 of the "especial" genins) could defeat any no "especial" jounin. Now jounins seem like what they are supposed to be, the elite.
P.D: Sasuke has an electrified blade and naruto is learning how to cut things with his chakra (wich seems like a blade)... are we going to see a blade confrontation between electric blade and wind blade in the future?
That's pretty gay. If that's the way it turns out I'm going to be very unhappy.Originally Posted by Edort4
I'd have to agree with this. As it stands, this element system explanation thus far has been, well, overdue and rather threadbare. No doubt due to Naruto being a slow learner, the remainder of the logic behind vague jutsus will just have to wait.Originally Posted by mage
Two natures does not equal bloodline, but you CAN have a bloodline that makes it extremely easy to manipulate two natures into one. Bloodlines can do plenty of other things too though, like evolve an advanced eye that allows for the use of special dojutsu. And I'm pretty sure you dont need a bloodline just to manipulate more then one nature, I mean, look at the Hokage, he combined earth and fire jutsu (combined a fire spitting dragon and a mudslide to get a dragon that spat balls of magma, or something like that) and I'm pretty sure he didnt have a unique bloodline limit, not sure but I also think they said the hokage was a master of all the elemental types, not just one or two.Originally Posted by mage
P.S. If you didn't catch it, Naruto is porbably the King, because being a jinchiriyuki (no clue how to spell that) makes him the most important to protect,
P.P.S. Also, on the colors of chakra = elements thing, I'm pretty sure that all the chakra we've seen in the entire series is blue except for the kyuubi chakra, so unless everyone is the same element as Naruto, which we already know isnt the case, the color doesnt matter to the element.
Last edited by Necromas; Sun, 07-23-2006 at 11:57 AM.
Don't confuse combining with combining Embedding a fire jutsu in a earth jutsu capsule is an entirely different matter, compared to combing two elements into one newly formed. What sandaime did was still a fire and an earth jutsu, not some meteor element jutsu.Originally Posted by Necromas
For chakra colours:
blue - normal
red - kyuubi
green - medical ninjutsu and iirc Lee upon releasing the heal gate
Orochimaru has purple chakra.
And Curse Seal influenced chakra tended to have a tinge of dark purple/black/red in it as well.