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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar
    So exactly where do all you people read, that Sasuke has a natural affinity of the same amount (or it would be one again) to two types?

    Naruto _asks_ if Sasuke has two, and that question _isn't_answered_at_all_. It is stated that in the Uchiha clan there were exceptionally many people with fire affinity and that Kakashi is lighning, therefor chidori. Sasuke being able to learn chidori and further developing it, means he is most likely lightning - _NOT_ fire. He learned fire jutsu, because they are an Uchiha trademark. He can, until proven otherwise, not transform his chakra into fire.
    "Naruto: So Sasuke's matched with both Fire and Lightning, then?
    Kakashi: You , on the other hand, are a zero."

    You can overanalyze all you want, but there IS such a thing as answering a question with a different, but relevant response. If you asked someone how old they are and they tell you they will be turning 21 next month...wouldn't that answer your question just the same?

    Not only that, but kakashi says naruto is a zero, even though we know that he is capable of learning wind. This suggests that their use of the term affinity does not mean "what you are naturally attuned to", but rather "what you have trained your body to mold chakra into"
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    Not only that, but kakashi says naruto is a zero, even though we know that he is capable of learning wind. This suggests that their use of the term affinity does not mean "what you are naturally attuned to", but rather "what you have trained your body to mold chakra into"
    He was referring to Naruto as a zero because his affinity was unknown. Did he magically turn from a "zero" to a wind by doing the paper test?

    How can 'affinity' mean "what he has trained his body to mold chakra into" when we find out he has an affinity to wind, but has never done any training that would give him that affinity? Each person is probably born with a certain affinity.

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    Yeah, I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm agreeing with mage. Each person is probably born with one of the five elements that they naturally are able to learn at an easier pace then others.

    There could be instances though when a person can be attuned to more then one element, like Sasuke, but eventually they end up leaning toward one of the two.(which could explain why Sasuke has trouble learning fire jutsu when he was younger and how he was able to advance in using his chidori)

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    it seems everyone is born with an element,but you can learn other elemental jutsu like the third hokage. Also we have seen countless times kakashi doing diffrent elements even though he just copied that doesnt mean u gained an affinity to the element.

    Most likely you are just better with your certain element and can advance it further then others

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    Quote Originally Posted by mage
    He was referring to Naruto as a zero because his affinity was unknown. Did he magically turn from a "zero" to a wind by doing the paper test?

    How can 'affinity' mean "what he has trained his body to mold chakra into" when we find out he has an affinity to wind, but has never done any training that would give him that affinity? Each person is probably born with a certain affinity.
    I think you misinterpreted my post...

    No, naruto didn't turn from a zero to a wind by doing the paper test, he's still a zero until he actually performs a wind jutsu. I was trying to make a distinction between capacity and natural alignment.

    Also, anyone who agrees with mage yet admits that affinities can be "learned"... congratulations, you just contradicted yourself.
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  6. #66
    ah~ anyway, can't wait to see what kishimoto comes up with...

    i think he's losing that magic touch he used to have. the storyline is getting awfully cliche and poorly paced...

  7. #67
    Guys, get your handy, dandy Neg Rep Slapsticks out!

    I thought this chapter was just to make it longer. It wasn't as boring as the others, but it wasn't entertaining either. I want to see the fuckin' trainin' already!

  8. #68
    Honestly compared to the train wreck of the whole finding Sasuke Arc I can't help but think that these past few chapters have been quite good. Think about we've had more story progression in the past five chapters then the entire 30-40 chapter road to sasuke arc. We've seen 2 new atkasuki members as well as a Jinchuuriki (even if she only lasted two chapters) and naruto is finally going to learn a new jutsu (I'm really starting to think that the fourth tail was most likely "that jutsu" that Jiraiya spoke of so long ago) now if only kishimoto could go back to writing 19 pages a week like every other self-respecting shounen jump artist I'd be niffy spiffy.

  9. #69
    So, is this manga planning to make Naruto powerup immensily? If he's going to constantly train with 1000 clones out, that means in one day he would of trained the equivanet of 1000 days, which is 2.7... years.

    In one week, Naruto gets 19.2 years wroth of training ...

    I'm not complaining, I'd rather have Naruto get stronger and power up a lot with new moves and such, but I'd like for him to stray away from the foolishness and childlikenss. He could mature a bit more up and become more skilled and stronger as a Ninja.

    Don't cha think Naruto should make a few more clones ... say like instead of 1000 maybe 1100, then use the extra ones to go around the village and train with other ninjas. Hey, if he gots a way to make himself more strong and skilled, maybe should use it to improve himself.

    Could be the start of the age of the Naruto, with him as Hokage.

  10. #70
    This chapter was very interesting with the hole kage bunshin training and i really hope Naruto powers up alot with it, its not fun if he is just as crappy as before despite 2.5 years with Jiraya and this training.




    About the hxh rip off thing, i have read and seen many shonens none of them used this see your element thing before HXH so its really a ripoff.

  11. #71
    with the "zero" thing, I think Kakashi was just talking shit to Naruto to light a fire (no pun intended) under Naruto's ass. comparing Naruto to Sasuke always seems to do the trick.

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    Zero = Blank slate, to me at least.

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    Yeah its clear what Zero meant.

    About the new akatsuki guys, i hope they are pretty powerful and we get to see some of it,cause we never saw much Itachi and Kisame.

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    i wonder how faster it is with hes clones... like a clone is not good like the orginal Person.
    A clone is like 1/10 ?

    but i think he is going to learn really fast and drinking some pina cola under the time
    I have been into the dark to long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnompf
    i wonder how faster it is with hes clones... like a clone is not good like the orginal Person.
    A clone is like 1/10 ?
    You're referring to the mizu bunshin.
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  16. #76
    Now that we were told about elements affinity it makes me think of sharingan and its' abilities as insane. Does anyone remember exact words to describe capabilities of sharingan ? It was something like "reading the way how the jutsu is being performed" or something like that, or am I wrong? If so, then we have 2 possible options:

    1. Sharingan can copy any jutsu without caring about all the affinity stuff.

    or

    2. Sharingan can make it a lot easier to learn other jutsus because of its' functions.

    Probably the second version is correct, but it still gives me a whole new level of respect for sharingan

  17. #77
    Sharingan is really bull he can add to its power every chapter without actually explaining how it is the way it is.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Hakeem_21
    About the hxh rip off thing, i have read and seen many shonens none of them used this see your element thing before HXH so its really a ripoff.
    what is wrong with you? are you sure you never read the element thing before HXN? What about flame of recca? Mar? etc. are they all ripoff too? Common this element thing really old to the world. Plus the 5 elements: Fire, wind, water, lighting, and Earth. They are not really Japan's 5 basic elements but more like Greece because the 5 basic element in Japan should be, Fire, wind, water, wood, and earth.

  19. #79
    Just forget about all this copying crap. All anime takes ideas from other anime. if u look at any anime you can see things from one of the first major ones DBZ all the time. All anime is influenced by the first ones to come out and use ideas from each. Not much can be done if everything had to be diffrent from the rest its impossible cause we would have run out of ideas years ago.

  20. #80
    I think a perfect example of this rip-off business would be when Marvel Comics tried to sue City of Heroes for copyright infringement because too many of the CoH characters resembled Marvel characters.

    The courts ruled that Marvel had covered such a wide base of powers, names, and appearances in its comics and as more characters were created, new ideas were becoming ever more scarce, that similarities and resemblances were inevitable.

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