because kishimoto just made this shit up on the fly. he probably hadn't even thought about it when he first started writing the manga.Originally Posted by bxgreatone87
because kishimoto just made this shit up on the fly. he probably hadn't even thought about it when he first started writing the manga.
Yeah I can't believe that he didn't even know that there were five element types...but then again Kishimoto might have just decided to take it in this direction recently.
Although as others pointed out, Kakashi said Sasuke was the same type as him ever since the Chuunin Exam. Then again he could have just meant they both had the Sharingan and were amazing talented.
It was kind of predictable, Naruto being wind...but if he would have been water everyone would have been "OMG, Naruto's related to the 2nd Hokage!"
Although with him being a Wind Type....and the Rasengan being a jutsu invented by the 4th Hokage....that is another piece of evidence (which at this point is getting piled up a bit high).
If I recall, Baki has a killer Wind attack...that is what did Hayate in, but that might be too violent for the Shonen lead hero to use.
Hmm.. Kind of cool, but at the same time kind of lame because they could have introduced this whole 5 element crap at the beginning of Naruto instead of 300+ chapters later?
And yeah... This whole learning thing makes training with Jiraiya seem pretty pointless...
And yeah what mage said.. Kishi probably just made up this bullshit along the way.... it's getting really dumb if you ask me...
OMG
You have learned how to do paragraphs. This is the first time I have read your entire post.
Keep it up.
To become the Hokage you will need to inherit the will of konoha. It doesn’t matter if you are a genius. What really matters is that you have the best interest of Konoha at heart.
Also you need to go through basic ninja training before you can specialize in certain fields just like we do our education in the real world. Does that make any sense?
That would be yet another one of Kishi's unresolved plots.
I'm kind of annoyed that an entire chapter was spent on explaining to Naruto how his primary jutsu works. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care how strong Naruto becomes if he is always going to be a bumbling idiot that needs everything explained to him all the time.
Also, while I guess its neat to see that Naruto is wind-natured, I think its kind of dumb to introduce individual elemental attunements at this point in the story. IMO, it is something that should have been introduced much earlier on in the story and I fear that introducing it now will only bring about speculation as to each character's chakra nature and more unresolved plot lines.
I don't think it's that bad. From a writers perspective, do you blame him for not wanting to be tied down to a system like this?
I mean...this could get kind of complex if you think about it.
Like HxH's system (Kishimoto must like this manga) where they put a leaf in a cup of water and the people channel their energy through it to see what type they are...
From there they can look at a chart and see where they fall and can cross train- study in different types next to them on the chart to get maximum potential.
haha yeah, I was really surprised that I was actually able to reply to one of his posts with something other than "learn how to write."
The 5 elements of jutsus was introduced back in the "forest of chakra" scene during the wave country arc, when kakashi explained about chakra manipulation in-depth. This is not a new concept for the series.
we do?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Wow so he's wind huh? I wonder what Sakura is.
Interesting question, I'm really inclined to say, "Flowers and butterflies- y'know, weak elemental stuffs."
But, that wouldn't be doing her justice after the 3-year jump. I think she, like Tsunade, is earth-based (extreme power, healing, etc.).
By the way, isn't "space, or emptiness" considered an element in the Japanese system?
Silence. Void.
I believe it is.
Dosei (Saturn) is Silence star.
Kasei (mars) is Fire star
Kinsei (venus) is Gold star... no clue here
Suisei (mercury) is Water/Ice star
Mokusei (jupiter) is woord star (although thunder is also associated here)
Ten'ousei (uranus) is wind royal star
Kaiousei (neptune) is water royal star
meiousei (pluto) is... no clue
err.. that was kinda off topic...
Sakura being earth isn't farfetched... with her abnormal strenght and everything
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correction to mokusei
Last edited by RyougaZell; Thu, 07-13-2006 at 08:42 PM.
The 5 elements of jutsus is not new, no. But each character having their own natural attunement to a specific element, or having "elemental-natured" chakra is.The 5 elements of jutsus was introduced back in the "forest of chakra" scene during the wave country arc, when kakashi explained about chakra manipulation in-depth. This is not a new concept for the series.
we do?
Early in the series, the characters all used elemental jutsus, but the element tended to correspond with the village or country they were from. Zabuza using mist, Haku using ice, Gaara using sand, Baki using wind, Uchiha using fire, The sound trio using sound, etc.
i was totally waiting for someone to bring up the hunter x hunter reference. what a ripoff.
First of its not a Jutsu really so thats one reason i believe 4tail mode isnt "That Jutsu". Also he talked to kakashi about the 4tail mode and how he can stop it why would he say "that Jutsu" if he was gonna explain it to kakashi. I think he didnt say the name of it because it a secret fobiden technique.
Many people have also ssid and believe 4tail mode isnt "That Jutsu" so im going by the most reasonable explanation.
off topic: god, people are still on that whole "tailed kyuubi mode being that justu" thing? seriously... if there was something else that was "that jutsu" would we have seen it by now? if naruto has soemthing other then the super kyuubi mode thats badass enough for jiraiya to tell him not to use it for "that justu" then why the heck is he training to come up with a new move? i said it before, but i will say it again: justu translates to "techneque" its not a word that only refers to ninjutsu. bijuu transformations are a techneque used by jinchuuriki.
on topic: i thought the training was a rip off of hunterxhunter too. but i was kinda hoping to yamato do it. his skill doesnt fall into basic five, and neither does sandiame kazekages. i wonder how the paper reacts to people with abnormal chakra properties.
When speaking on behalf of the community, you shouldn't use choice words such as "I think" and "i believe"
Likewise, many people have also said and believe 4tail mode IS that jutsu.
Jiraiya isn't going to teach Naruto a forbidden jutsu and then say "don't use that jutsu"
What's the ripoff? Coming up with a traditional method to discovering the biological capacities of a fictional character in a supernatural world? Oh yeah, HxH must've taken the rights to THAT one.
For the record, this doesn't differ too much from jiraiya's "chakra rotation" test with naruto's hairline to see how Naruto's chakra naturally rotates through his body.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Just a though what element is kyubbi's chakra (i think fire right?), can't naruto have 2 elements then also when he uses kyubbi chakra. Yes i know they dont want him to use that chakra but still always there to use in a very last result.
On another note, is releasing the clone different from having the clone destroyed? Because if they are the same thing, then wouldn't the rapings of naruto's clones by enemies over the entire series go back to him and cause him severe pain or death?
Actually, now that i think about it, i think releasing the clone is different from getting it destroyed by an enemy. I refer back to the beginning of the series where naruto tried to catch kakashi off gaurd and then punch him but kakashi used the switching technique thing and made all the narutos fight each other. And after cancelling all his clones, we see the real naruto all bruised and stuff.
Also, countless times we see narutos clones go poof when hit and the real naruto doesnt seem to feel anything.
I guess i might have answered my own question...
Finally, a good chapter for this week.
Yeah...the paper and the water and leaf comparison can't be called anything else but a rip off.
I'm glad someone else caught it...I thought I was going nuts.
I mean these five elements aren't original at all, because EVERYONE uses them in some way for a combat system, but the method of finding out which you are is pretty much ripped off from HXH.
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