Naruto 311

[shinta|hikari]

I dont agree with all the naruto is stupid stuff. He is immature, and has the personality of a 5 year old, that much cannot be denied. But he is hardly stupid, as proven by how he has handled the battles with Zabuza, Kiba, Neji, and Gaara, as well as his amazing use of rasengan in the water battle to save everyone.

This just means that despite being a great tactician, if you cannot keep you emotions in check there is no way you can pull it out. It also means that rather than naruto being stupid, it is the author that is stupid, almost ruining a great character just because he is too lazy to come up with great smart battles like the ones before.

If you think about it logically, naruto defintely has mastered the kuchiyose no jutsu for frogs. It just wouldnt make sense if he learned the technique in such a short time and still isnt able to use it after all that training with the ero frog king.

Some people might argue that naruto couldnt even master rasengan, but rasengan is not just some normal technique. It is a killer move that the 4th, a genius ninja, came up with. He did in fact learn it in a week, but that is only because he cheated and used kagebunshins. It just makes sense that without the KB, there is no way he could overcome the last and hardest part of learning rasengan in such a short time.

I dont think its a good idea for naruto to be suddenly aware of a ton of jutsus, and how to break genjutsu and stuff. It just isnt naruto. Indeed characters can change, but such a change would go against the kind of person naruto is, and would lead to the loss of his appeal in the 1st place. His intelligence isnt like sakuras and sasukes. It is in fact more strategy than knowledge, and it was amazaing how he survived with just that.

EDIT: not being able to use the technique doesnt mean you cant teach it. of course the hiraishin is not a sure thing yet, but it isnt too far fetched for kakashi to know how to do it since he was the 4ths student. There is probably just certain restrictions that prevented him from actually using it. (chakra maybe?)

[The Heretic Azazel]

I don't know, seems to me one's mastery of a move is vital to teaching someone else how to pull it off.

[mage]

The only way Naruto can surpass Kakashi in anything less than several years is through pure kyuubi strength only. Whatever Naruto does, he will never be able to match Kakashi's skill and experience unless hes just able to overpower him.

[LaZie]

I bet it has something to do with Kyuubi or his blood

[Assassin]

New techinique for Naruto which can surpass Kakashi?? What the freak.... if Kakashi can do the technique, wouldn't it mean that the techinque + his experience + WIDE range of jutsus is still greater than Naruto's lack of jutsus and experience?

which is probably why its gonna be a technique that kakashi can't do, atleast not fully (like the rasengan). so ya, the odds are high that its another of the 4ths technique.

[Raven]

Obviously it's something to do with using the Kyuubi, seeing it's something that ONLY Naruto can do...

[chet_chetty]

well kagebunshin is another thing only naruto can do since sakura & sai cannot do it (as injun pointed out).

i've pretty much accepted the fact that in those 2.5 years w/ jiraiya, "all" jiraiya taught naruto was to reach the 3rd and 4 tails, and "that jutsu". that's it. it took naruto roughly 1 year to get to the 2nd tail. so, to reach the 3rd and 4th tails does not seem like "it's not enough" for 2.5 years worth of training.

i do not believe "that jutsu" is the fourth's flash technique because moving great distances at high speeds is not highly dangerous/risky (at least when the fourth used it) the way jiraiya builds it up to be.

following what assertn said about the teacher teaching the student only what the teacher can already do, it's hard for me to believe that kakashi knows the yellow flash technique. i do not believe it is a bloodline limit technique, which i guess means kakashi could have copied it in his time spent w/ the fourth. but i really dont think he did based simply on how grandiose a jutsu it is.

[shinta|hikari]

well kagebunshin is another thing only naruto can do since sakura & sai cannot do it (as injun pointed out).

i've pretty much accepted the fact that in those 2.5 years w/ jiraiya, "all" jiraiya taught naruto was to reach the 3rd and 4 tails, and "that jutsu". .

Kakashi said that ONLY naruto could do that training, not only naruto among his teammates.

That is not a fact. It is only your assumption. Naruto didnt 'learn' growing those tails, it just escalates the more he is consumed by the kyuubi as he uses its chakra.

[Edort4]

This is completely my invention but I think that the number of tails is related to what Naruto is able of. In the begining it was stated by Jiraya, if I correctly recall, that Naruto couldnt take out much of the kyubii chakra because he was "a too small container". I understand that in the way that naruto wasnt able to gather much chakra or release it.

As time went by he gained more stamina, more chakra and more control over it letting him release higher amounts of kyubii chakra.

In the begining against Haku: a huge amount of chakra but no tails (and that was the time that naruto has been most pissed imo).

In the middle: Against Neji he released the chakra in the same way. And against Gara too but here he was releasing way more chakra than in previus fights.

Then against Sasuke he released one tail and lots more of chakra.

Now he is able of releasing 4 tails (but only 3 effectively).

So the stronger he is the more tails he is able to release. Consecuently more tails-> less control over it.Tthus more chances to go into berserk.

After all this nonsense I have to say that I would be very dissapointed if after hearing the speech from Yamato about Naruto using his own strength and not relying completely to kyubii fast power boost he just gets a technique from Kakashi to use it even more.

This is the similarity and difference between Naruto and Sasuke both have a cheap way of becoming strong but Naruto has shown that he doesnt take shortcuts. Because "the arent shortcuts to become Hokage".

I hope they let kyubii rest for a bit, even if they use his chakra I dont want any more tails!!

[shinta|hikari]

What kakashi is talking about is definitely related to kyuubi, and it is going to be a shortcut as explicitly mentioned by kakashi. BUT, i dont think he is going to completely rely on the kyuubi in battle, but rather just use it in the new training and maybe as a support in battle like before.

Naruto does indeed take shortcuts. The very fact that the kyuubi is inside of him is already a shortcut, enabling him to do things that he otherwise wouldnt have been able to do. (like beat neji, gaara, and fight evenly with sasuke) The differences is, he doesnt use it in a cheap way, because he doesnt sell his principles just to obtain power like sasuke did. (wait, sasuke didnt have principles in the first place, oh well)

Yamatos speech wasnt about not using the kyuubi ever, but rather not using it in the way he did. Naruto depended on the kyuubi completely, to the point of losing consciousness and hurting sakura. That is what Yamato is trying to avoid. If kyuubi only had good points without any dangers, I bet yamato would be the first person to make naruto use the kyuubi to its full extent.

I really doubt theres gonna be any more tails, because that will completely defeat the purpose of the last arc and narutos resolve to not use the kyuubi in battle anymore.

[Scarface]

i was thinkin similiar to someone in thinking that maybe kakashi will give up his sharingan to naruto ...he definitely has the stamina for it....yep first post but been readin everyones for years

[mage]

I don't think Kakashi will give up his sharingan until he's about to die. He's still young and has many fights ahead of him.

[shinta|hikari]

Its just absurd to think that kakashi would give naruto the sharingan. First of all, surgery isnt training. Next, receiving the eye isnt something only naruto can do, and the sharingan itself only eats insane amounts of chakra if it is already mangekyou. Lastly, even having the sharingan, there is no way naruto will pass, or even get near kakashis level (even without the sharingan).

[mage]

Its just absurd to think that kakashi would give naruto the sharingan. First of all, surgery isnt training. Next, receiving the eye isnt something only naruto can do, and the sharingan itself only eats insane amounts of chakra if it is already mangekyou. Lastly, even having the sharingan, there is no way naruto will pass, or even get near kakashis level (even without the sharingan).

it uses tons of chakra regardless if it's mangekyou or not. kakashi has gassed out several times due to overusing his sharingan.

[bxgreatone87]

the sharigan thing is ubsurd for one how would it only be something naruto can do when kakashi was no one special in that he could get it (he was a good ninja but no someone with insane hidden abilities or like others are saying healing powers like naruto). It has something to do with his large amount of chakra or something with the nine tails thats the only possible way it is something only naruto can do. The only other thing it can be is something that we dont know about naruto and his mother and father the way this manga goes and all the twist and turns i wouldnt be suprised by them doing something like naruto has a bloodline lmao. i hope not but this guy pullstuff out his ass when writing something new for a character.

[chet_chetty]

Kakashi said that ONLY naruto could do that training, not only naruto among his teammates.

That is not a fact. It is only your assumption. Naruto didnt 'learn' growing those tails, it just escalates the more he is consumed by the kyuubi as he uses its chakra.

well we'll never know exactly how naruto got the 3rd and 4th tails. he got the 1st and 2nd in battle in confrontation w/ ppl he felt close to. he gets consumed by such chakra from the extent of emotion he feels in that moment.i'm not sure what kinda of anger unmanagement training jiraiya would have shown naruto in their 2 1/2 yrs away from everyone close to them for that much more chakra to consume him and get to the 3rd and 4th tails.


and yes i do realize it is not fact and my assumption that kakashi meant only naruto out of his teammates could do this special training. but it makes the most sense because the other 2 teammates make up the team, and Kakashi is training only this team.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

Kakashi did have the Sharingan when he the fourth was alive. So he may have had an oppurtunity to copy it. He may not have been able to use it, but he may have copied it enough to be able to teach to Naruto. Kinda like Sasuke being able to see Lee's fast moves but not being able to copy them because he had to be faster and more developed in order to use them. So I think that it could be possible for Kakashi to know some techniques but not be able to use them due to limited chakra or not enough experience to use it.

[darkmetal505]

Or the most obvious reason: the sharingan was a gift from Kakashi's best friend at his death. He won't give it up.

I think some are over evaluating. Kakashi just said Naruto might surpass. I think it was encouragement for Naruto and a hint to the degree of difficulty of the training Naruto will endure.

[rotary7eaven]

Kakashi did have the Sharingan when he the fourth was alive. So he may have had an oppurtunity to copy it. He may not have been able to use it, but he may have copied it enough to be able to teach to Naruto. Kinda like Sasuke being able to see Lee's fast moves but not being able to copy them because he had to be faster and more developed in order to use them. So I think that it could be possible for Kakashi to know some techniques but not be able to use them due to limited chakra or not enough experience to use it.

kakashi didn't have the sharingan when the fourth used his technique. if he did learned it, he ever used it? i highly doubt that kakashi copied the fourth's technique.

[Meteros]

kakashi didn't have the sharingan when the fourth used his technique. if he did learned it, he ever used it? i highly doubt that kakashi copied the fourth's technique.

just cause it wasn't in the gaiden doesn't mean he couldn't have copied it afterwards. after all, the fourth wasn't even the hokage yet