It shouldn't have been a penalty. We got robbed due to a bad referee! Last kick of the game and too lose like that, the sliding tackle was to prevent the kick, and he was already on the ground, and the stupid ref calls a penalty.
In the Japan game, Japan's goal was a penalty verse the keeper, but it was allowed, so it calls out that one Swallow Your Soul.
We should've gotten 2 more inside the box against croatia.
Adriano was offside with the last pass, not the first one. Yes, i know that adriano wasnt the active man in the first pass but he WAS in the last one. The first pass wasnt an offside, and there is no question about that. As you said the move ended with him. The person who passed it to adriano to finish it off found him in an offside position as he was about two steps ahead of the last Ghanian player and was definitely involved in a play. You have to consider the offside rules for every single pass, you cant just consider it once for an entire play.Originally Posted by Swallow Your Soul
Say for example that two players bypass the defenders with out being offside. Of those two players, the one with the ball cannot pass it to the other player if that player is ahead of the one with the possession. In such a case, it would be considered offside even though, at the beginning of the play they were onside and BOTH of them sprinted their way through the defenders to get at goal. The person with the ball would have to wait for the other striker to get behind him and then the pass would be valid. Or the striker with the possession would have to go straight for goal on his own. That brazilian play at goal consisted of what i think where three passes in the penalty box(maybe two). Well for the first two adriano wasnt the active man involved in the passes even though he was quite offside. In the third pass he was the active man, and he was also offside.Yes i know it is a close call but he was offside, being ahead of every other Ghanian player as well as ahead of the Brazilian player that passed it to him.
Maybe you are doubting whether Adriano was ahead of that Ghanian player or not but i am pretty sure he was.
Kai - true, I can't argue that.
The 'first pass' I'm referring to happened much further back in the play than the penalty box. Luckily I just found it on youtube as I was starting to doubt my own memory :-P.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyhv...brazil%20ghana
You can see from that first pass that Adriano is miles offside as it goes to his right, this is where the new rule confuses me (when I say that I'm disregarding the last pass for a second) as previously that would have been disallowed just for the first pass, he is in an offside position at the time of the first pass but is inactive, then he eventually interferes with play having been in an offside position and scores a goal. Before the change at least, the offside should have been given as soon as the ball went to him at any time during the move.
For the final pass, looking at his feet compared to the defender's feet they look extremely close, possibly just offside, but if they are in doubt, the guidelines say they should give the benefit of the doubt to the striker (or, again, at least they used to), I can understand the goal being given (not that that would make Ghana any happier with it). The rest of his body makes it look like he's further forward but it actually looks pretty close when you look at their feet.
The first camera view looks more off than on (thanks to the diagonal view), but the 2nd one (the first replay which is more in line with the pass) looks really close.
Last edited by Swallow Your Soul; Wed, 06-28-2006 at 12:53 PM.
So much arguing over that penalty. I should have expected it though. Personally I thought it was a pretty anticlimactic win, pretty good game otherwise. Brazil/Ghana was even better, especially that first goal (and excluding the controversial second goal).
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ahhi've calmed down now!. still sad about australia not going thru...read many opinions on about the penalty given and now ive come to acept the fact that not everyone thinks like me !!
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much much much calmer now!.... although i still hope italy looses.
im backing brazil now !!! yatah
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Germany looked impressive when they won...I'm amazed how a team who were spoken of so negatively can play so differently when they're actually in the tournament. I didn't want Argentina to win the whole thing, but I was hoping they'd beat the Germans and actually felt a bit sorry for them since they've played some good football. The missed penalties were badly taken though, and the Germans have always been scarily/annoyingly good at them. :-P
England need to actually turn up for once tomorrow, playing the way we have been doing so far probably won't be good enough against Portugal, they're a pretty aggressive team so that should suit us...although they beat us last time.
Germany beat Argentina on penalties. The Argentinians were the first to strike and score. They seemed to be pretty much in control after that but that was until Klose struck with an amazing header to turn the tide. Although it seemed to be that Argentina played better in normal time and had better plays, it was the Germans who were triumphant. Very neat Penalty taking indeed. Despite all the criticism that the Germans had before the tournament there was no doubt in my mind that they were going to make it really far in the tournment. Its just this trend in recent world cups that home teams have to do really well. Now whether it is coincidence or there is something more to that, i am not sure.Nevertheless Germany are in a very strong position in the world cup. A great heart shown by Michael Ballack who had to stay on later in the game despite his injury. He was able to create a couple of good chances in extra time too and also scored nicely on his penalty kick. As a result, he was also the man of the match.
The Italians defeated the Ukrainians 3-0 in what was a comfortable match for the Azzuri. Zambrotta's great strike earlier on put italians in the lead in a really solid position. They kept most of the control in the first half and the Ukrainians had very few chances. The game was kind of the different in the second half in the sense that the Ukrainians started pressing much harder and came very close to scoring on a few oppurtunities early on in the half. But the Italian defense held in there with a few really good saves by Gianluigi Buffon. He isnt the world's most expensive goalkeeper for nothing! Ukraine's hopes were however squashed by 2 goals by Luca Toni in the space of ten minutes. In the end, the Italians got a deserved win. Their defense is yet to be properly penetrated by another team and scored on. They have only conceded one goal in this tournament and that too was an accidentaly own goal by Zaccardo.
So the Italians will face of against the Germans. What a match this is going to be! Although the current Italian team is on an 23 match unbeaten International streak and only recently beat this very German team before the World Cup, the Germans have clearly excelled to a new level during the course of the tournament. They have a very dangerous, strong attacking aura around them and have their sight on winning the entire tournament.
Last edited by Splash!; Fri, 06-30-2006 at 04:38 PM.
Yay Argentina lost!
(no, I'm not at all bitter they defeated my team)
I wish the best for Germany, but then again I don't want the finals to be exactly the same as the last Cup - Germany vs. Brazil.
C'mon England, you want to get to finals this time, c'mon!
Home factor did a lot today for Germany. Argentina played worse than he used in the previous matches and even like that they where better than germany.
For Germany that is one of the most agressive teams in the world cup, doing a lot of pressure , to be the team with less yellow cards is quite strange. But they did better at p.k.s than Argentina.
Italy did almost nothing and scored a 3-0 against Ucrania, I like this team. They have 3 chances in all the match and almost always score them all and their defense is above average.
Wow, the Germany vs Argentina...I am in Frankfurt (awaiting the Brasil game) and watched the game downtown on the Main River with about 20000 other crazy German fans. The place went ape sh!t when Klose scored and then even crazier when Lehman blocked not 1 but 2 p.k.'s!!!
Have to say that Argentina looked better in the first half and Germany almost looked too tense (if German's can look even more tense than usual). However, after the first goal in the second half it seemed to focus the German's. IMO, Argentina's coach lost the game by making his subs too early (Riquelme went out?) and trying to hold the 1-0 score. Klinsman held his linup and it worked! In the end, the rookie goalie was wwwwaaaaayyyy out of his league in the penalty kick stage and begining with Neuville, Germany just blew out the Argentinans mentally in the end.
Italy vs Ukaraine...well, gotta hand it to the losers for making it as far as they did but common...their goup play was soft and they had a realively easy seed (Spain, Saudi Arabia, and Tunisia). Following their surprise second round entry, who do they get? A poor Swiss team that couldn't find the back of the net if stood in front of it and just fired off shots...oh, wait they did and STILL missed! To Ukaraine's credit, they almost made a great, equalizing goal but was blocked by some GREAT defense by Buffon. His second save was equally fanastic. Italy looked strong and I think gained some momentum for Germany.
Anyhow, hope I can give you my opinion of the Brasil vs France from the INSIDE of the stadium!!! Should be a most interesting game conisdering the 1998 match and the fact that Ronaldo is playing much better and probably has a major score to settle with the Frenchman. Finally, England vs Portugal...Well since I had to watch the poor Orangeman get defeated while in a bar in the Netherlands, I am rooting for Rooney and company big time.
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Portugal is sucking tonight. Even with Rooney sent off, we're still holding up. I sense another penalty shootout coming up.
Edit: Well, dammit. At least I was right about the penalties...
Last edited by XanBcoo; Sat, 07-01-2006 at 12:46 PM.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
True. It's very nerve racking though. Both teams have gotten great chances. Good thing one of the goals was on offsides.
Devastated. We defended so well after Rooney got sent off, and if it wasn't for some great tackles by the Portugese we could have scored, but our penalties were badly taken (as historically they always are). I had a feeling we wouldn't win it if we didn't get one before extra time ended. I think if we had played with two strikers from the start Rooney wouldn't have ended up losing it and put us down to 10 men, but we still came back fairly well.
Extra insult to be put out by Ronaldo. There aren't many players I like less (and thats saying something).
I'm glad Sven has now gone, I don't think McClaren will be any better at all but Sven's tactics have been wrong throughout all the tournament, he only took 3 strikers as well as a 17 year old he never intended to play, and played too negatively. Best thing he did for us was beat the Germans 5-1, but that was ages ago. It sucks that we were put out this way, but we didn't look like contenders for the trophy during the tournament...
Really disappointed for Lampard, he's very possibly the best English player (not as much individual skill as Rooney but I'd prefer to have a Lampard than a Rooney in my team) and he couldn't score all tournament, even in the penalty shootout.
Last edited by Swallow Your Soul; Sat, 07-01-2006 at 12:59 PM.
I think McClaren's style will be very similar to the present styte we're seeing. I believe that Sven Goran Eriksson is to be blamed for England's poor performance in the world cup so far. Playing a lone striker and having such a defensive mentality is not exactly a great strategy, considering they're got such a strong mid field.
Rooney's sending off was harsh, but he should have known better. Now I wonder how Christiano Ronaldo's gonna go back to Man Utd and face his English team mates after the world cup.....
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What a game full of disappointments.
England had so many chances but they just couldn't convert, arghz.
And it was so disappointing for Lampard to miss that penalty!
*sadness*
Now I hope Brazil kicks Portugal's arses in the semi-finals. Rawrrrr!
(I doubt France will be able to win....)
On McClaren I agree, especially since he's been working under Sven, I'd hope that he might have learned what was wrong with Sven's negative tactics after seeing the effect it has had. I think if Peter Crouch had started just in front of Rooney, then Rooney wouldn't have ended up getting so frustrated that he lashed out. Everyone knows about his temperament, and being so isolated up front is just going to wind him up.
Sven will be remembered badly for this, the manner in which we played throughout the tournament with players like we have is unjustifiable. He left a lot of good attacking players like Defoe, Darren Bent, Shaun Wright-Phillips at home and took two strikers who were injured, one he didn't fancy, and one who clearly wouldn't play instead.
Ron was already in for an interesting time with Utd because he has been quoted as saying he'd be happy to join Real Madrid (one of their presidential electorates or whatever has promised he would buy him if he was elected). Utd have looked after him well and even took his side in the Ron vs Ruud (Van Nistelroy) argument that seems to be leading Ruud out of Utd at the moment. If he does end up staying, it does make you wonder about how him and Rooney will get on.
Its hard to tell if Rooney was sent off for the push on Ronaldo or for treading on Carvalho's bollocks, if it was for the push it was harsh, if it was for the other incident, then I couldn't argue. The replay seemed to imply it was for the push as the ref didn't react after the 'tread'.
For those who don't have ESPN and can't watch all of the games, go to www.espn360.com to watch the games live.
I was flipping around between the Yankee/Met game and the England/Portugal game and I saw the penalty kicks. I don't think the England goalie guessed a single kick correctly.
EDIT: just finished watching France vs Brasil and I'm shocked to see France beat Brasil....even though that was a huge effort and the end with a bunch of missed chances.
Last edited by ChaosK; Sat, 07-01-2006 at 03:53 PM.
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
Brazil lost to France. For some reason i found this incredibly amusing and funny. For all the 'Greatness' in the Brazilian squad, they couldn't beat the french. So now its an all out European fiesta from here on in.
The Brazilians definitely were not able to show what they were worth against the French. They had a lot of trouble creating any chances at all. Ronaldinho was thoroughly dissappointing and so were Kak'a and Cafu. Ronaldo had a few oppurtunities here and there but even he wasnt able to make anything of it.
They French were the better side in the game ( i can't believe i am saying this because i personally hate the French) and Henry scored off an incredible strike. Zidane had a great game and left the Brazilians staring at him. I wasnt shocked to see the brazilians loose. They have great players but sometimes i dont see them working together as a team all that well. I had a hunch the French might pull of something like this.
I missed most of the game, but I wanted Brazil to win, so its not been a good day. Out of the four remaining, I'd hope for a France/Italy final.
It might be nice to see the Germans win the tournament at home for the fans and the country...but with the English/German rivalry it just seems wrong to support them so I'll go with Italy...for now (I'm fickle).
France better stuff Portugal now.
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