Chapter 309

[Winged Dancer]

Agree with Jadugar and seeker on most levels - out of all mangas Naruto can't be rushed, but that's my main problem - they took a three year break to make the characters more powerful and it was wonderful at first.

Remember when Naruto blocked Chiyo's blows with an instant kage-bunshin? That was pretty cool and it didn't involve a new kind of power, just a better application of the existing ones.

But this Sasuke feels rushed, at least for me. Suddenly, out of the blue, he's got powers that surpass everyone's...

One more thing that put me to think - the Kyuubi told him not to kill Naruto ("You'll regret it"), why was that?
Has it been confirmed wether the demon dies if the vessel dies? I can't remember very well but the Kyuubi wouldn't allow Naruto to die if that meant his own demise.

However, Sasuke wouldn't regret killing the Kyuubi.

So what, is the Kyuubi just being a moralist and foreseeing that Sasuke will go (even more) emo with regrets if he kills Naruto or is he implying that Naruto will be useful at some point?

[Death BOO Z]

well, I can't say i hated the last two chapters, compared to the past 40 chapters they were great...

but, come on...

look at the final page of this chapter, there are two pannel with naruto's face, and i bet he's thinking "god, wasn't i supposed to be the main charecter?".
seriously, i haven't gotten over itachi's flame sharingan, nor Kakashi's teleblink sharingan, and now they introduce Sasuke's demon slaying eyes...
what's next? they'll use the sharingan to see where two atoms collide and jump on them and gain a flying ability?

nope, that's not possible, it involves an almost logical explannation of flying power...



so, we've seen Kyubi, the strongest demon in the land, getting all pussy by seeing Sasuke, who has now reached god level of strengh, and still isn't strong enough to kill itachi? what kind of messed up world is that?

why not put up a pedestal and declare Sasuke king of the world? just give him harem of women that could sprout out little uchihas, it's easier than trainning ordinary ninjas like Kakashi (Naruto, Yamato, Sai) and is much more efficent.

and just when we thought that we might see a diffrent balance between team seven, Sasuke is still 'OMG I'm the LEET!!', Naruto is still useless no matter what, and i still don't give a shit about Sakura. screw this fuckin' team.

next time, on 'Sasuke', our almighty hero of supreme power gains the ability to transform into a super uchiha, it gives him the ability to call forth shinigami's to kill his enemies without putting anything on the line, also, it shoots laser beams of lightning.

damn that Chidori advance, the original move was somewhat close to being reasonable, if you tried hard enough, you could even find examples from real life to justify it's existence.. the new chidori shield makes no sense, at no level.


all in all, at least something happened. maybe.
I hate where this story is going to.

[Edort4]

Well I know what your point is Jad. I know that kishimoto has control over all that happens even if those things are quite strange (and sometimes absurd). As I explained somewhere else the problem is that kishimoto has given up on making his own world somehow (inside the fiction of it all) coherent. Wich he tried and made very well in almost all of the first part.

That for me is a great loss, art is like a puzzle if everything fits then you get the feeling that you can inmerse in that even if its fiction. But with all these holes and unexplained things I have the feeling that the overall quality of naruto is getting lower. After all this is just a subjective opinion.

But nothing I said isnt true. Yes all those strange things that I pointed can be explained by: kishimoto wants it that way. I guess that simply Itachi didnt show anything of his real strenght and sharingan is like a top10 abilities jutsu.

Lets not discuss anymore I think that im right and somehow you too.

Death Boo: Thats what I mean, this series is being rushed, It has lost its balance (even if it was very few).

Winged: Thats what I feel,they are forgeting the script for the sake of visual impact and cool powers. For an example: Its like a film with a nice plot and a lot of special effects that go along with the world that is recreated. Now its turning into a film with lots of spectacular special effects just for the shake of the visual spectacularity.

Im the only one mad with no one dying? This is frustrating.

Im going to regret being here when i wake up in 5 hours

[Terracosmo]

What the fuck happened to this series. Everybody's suddenly super strong, have secret techniques they can't use, and escape whenever they can.

Goddamnit, where is Deidara? Only he can set things straight.

[Divinity]

Hey guys.. long time no see...

Anyways... Here's my input. I agree with many of you about how the story is getting lame and how it's also lame that Sasuke is super strong and from the looks of it has surpassed many ninjas. Kishi could have at least been more creative by naming that "Chidori Shield" something else rather than saying Sasuke learned how to create a new and more powerful jutsu from Kakashi's "unique original jutsu."

Well... I'm not liking the way this story is progressing... I don't like how they keep chasing Sasuke.. It just makes the story dull...

[LobsterMagnet]

Goddammit, I come home from my long boring tedious internship looking forward to a nice decent naruto chapter only to be confronted with the one anti climax to rule them all. This whole find Sasuske again arc has been going through a large series of ups and downs, worse yet Kishi's provided no resolution what-so-ever for this arc. Not only did we get the ever-so-tired "that jutsu" we also got the long overtone villains disappearing in a puff of smoke. I am some what happy to see the whole connection between the sharingan and the tail beasts starting to become a more prevalent plot thread. If I remember correclty the "true purpose" the ultra super top secret that drove itachi mad and made him slaughter the entire Uchila clan has yet to be revealed. We know that Sasuke knows what it is because there was that scene where he went to the secrete dojo but Kishi hasn't bothered to tell us the readers what the hell the secrete is.

Then again we still don't even know what the hell the atkasuki's goal is either. My guess is in the next chapter or two were going to see the reapperance of tobi because it's been too damn long waiting for him to make his apperance. Also before someone else makes this prediction I predict that the leader of the Akatsuki will turn out to be this new Uchila guy who was the first person to use the MS sharingan.

[tha_seeker]

God I do not know why the haste for some of you people to witness some incredible strength from Naruto. I understand what some people want, but you guys have to show patience. Naruto has not taken training as seriously as Sasuke did the past three years, sure he has improved under Jiraiya, but it was comparable to Sasuke who has a vendetta against his brother. And unless Naruto has realized that he will not be able to catch up to him. This is all in congruence to what Kishimoto had shown us when Naruto was hospitalized after his fight with Sasuke and Jiraiya was telling him to give up on Sasuke, that he had crossed over to the dark side on his own volition, that Sasuke and Orochimaru were the same type of people. I believe that Naruto might have now snapped out of it, and has the potential to finally get stronger.
Now as for Itachi, I believe we have yet to fully understand his power, I believe that him and Hoshigaki Kisame are amongst the strongest in the serie(remember when Neji was saying how he only witnessed Naruto having as much chakra as Kisame). The whole Akatsuki is not to be taken lightly as I believe that each member has a specific function that they are geared towards i.e, Zetsu (fighter/scout...even though we haven't seen him fight yet), without forgetting that they are already recruiting(Tobi anyone?!?) and it'll start coming full circle in the future.
Anyway sorry for getting into this tangente, at this point I am ready for the introduction of more characters(Akatsuki maybe) and more adventures involving other bijuus or something of that nature

[darkmetal505]

A thought came to my mind. What will Kishi do next? Not the obvious stuff, but I'm smelling a surprise. This might redeem Naruto.

Terra are you sure this person (now without an arm)



can save Naruto?

[Konohamaru]

Now as for Itachi, I believe we have yet to fully understand his power, I believe that him and Hoshigaki Kisame are amongst the strongest in the serie(remember when Neji was saying how he only witnessed Naruto having as much chakra as Kisame).

I don't remember hearing Kisame is the strongest. What I do remember is the other members of Akatsuki saying that Kisame has the most Chakra out of all of them. His sword sucks chakra and he prolly absorbs it himself afterwards to make him strong. Probably the reason how he can make a damn sea form from his mouth.

We still got the other members of the Akatsuki to see. At first I thought Sasori was uber strong but look who he got out smarted by? (note: I said outsmarted, not out powered) Sakura and his grandmother. We still have yet to see the leader and Zetsu fighting plus the new recruit, Tobi. From what I seen, clay boy is the weakest even though he again out smarted Gaara by using his only achilles heel in the fight against him, the villagers of the sand he planned to look after.

[bxgreatone87]

I wanna get back to what kyubbi said in that you will regret killing naruto for a couple reasons.
1. Remember when naruto first used the chakra willingly he told kyubi to lend him his power because if he goes so dose he so maybe he just wants to save his ass knowing he will die.
2. Another thought is maybe kyubbis power will fully come out ( but again wouldnt he want that).
Anyway after this incounter with sasuke i have a feeling naruto is gonna get more serious in his tarining and maybe get control of kyubbis power cause after kyubbi saw sasukes power i would think he wouldnt want naruto to go down if he can also die i would think he would rather not take control of naruto at the risk of his life also..... but again thats just a persoal thought.

[Lithonite]

I think we are making too many assuptions in some of th theories an explinations Oro's weakness to Itachi lies in his body degridation, and Naruto.. seriously ihe cant be as weak as he was 3 years ago and well thats what it looks like. so somthing is amis... Naruto didnt use any jutsu his object tive was cpture.. same with yamato- only person who attempted to harm was sakura- we have seen no new jutsu by naruto but we know he has @ least 1 forbidden jutsu.

i am getting pissed Naruto is looking pathetic the Itachi fan boys are already in an uproar.. and whrere the f00k is Jiraiya, why cant we tell what the hell is going on.. ill tell you why Kishimoto has gotten lazy he had sucess with a decent story and character dev, and well he blew it. someone needs to die, and we need to see some fuckign techniques- what happened to the crazy imagination that yielded some of the epic fight and dialig we have had in the past. the current revelations are getting old, and jsut more and more criptic. i think this story has lost its way.

[Yukimura]

Naruto didn't know jack about Kyubi, or how the seal worked when he first asked him for Chakra. For all we know Naruto's death could turn his body into a Gara-like medium for Kyubi to form a new body around. This is just blind speculation, but it would be interesting. And for logic's sake if Kyubi would die if the person he was sealed in died, why didn't the fourth seal him onto a dog or something and order someone to kill it, thus ridding the world of a crazy superfox.

Hopefully Kish will reveal some type of plan, since now that I think of it, the story of the manga has always been fairly simple, with unforseen twists providing suspense. Now there's so much manuvering going on behind the scenes we don't know what anyone's goals are. I think Akatsuki coming into the picture is where most of this mystery started, which might explain why they were the last scene in part one.

[tha_seeker]

I don't remember hearing Kisame is the strongest. What I do remember is the other members of Akatsuki saying that Kisame has the most Chakra out of all of them. His sword sucks chakra and he prolly absorbs it himself afterwards to make him strong. Probably the reason how he can make a damn sea form from his mouth.

We still got the other members of the Akatsuki to see. At first I thought Sasori was uber strong but look who he got out smarted by? (note: I said outsmarted, not out powered) Sakura and his grandmother. We still have yet to see the leader and Zetsu fighting plus the new recruit, Tobi. From what I seen, clay boy is the weakest even though he again out smarted Gaara by using his only achilles heel in the fight against him, the villagers of the sand he planned to look after.

I have not specically said that he was THE strongest, but merely amongst the stronger characters in the serie. Now Neji commented on Kisame's incredible chakra level, something he had only previously seen in Naruto.
It is quintessential to remind people that in the Naruto world monstruous chakra does not necessarily equate to invincibility, you still have to back it up with skills, something that I believe characters like Orochimaru, Sasuke and Itachi possess, even though Itachi gets drained by his techniques if he uses them recklessly.

One thing I also wanted to add is that I am not trying to make Itachi seem like some God, but I believe that even if Oro were not hurt he could never take him on at the same level. He is going to need a bloodline which is why he is using Sasuke to attain that level,...it'd just be nice if Sasuke got rid of Oro along the way though.

[Kopy<Kat>Kakashi]

Then again we still don't even know what the hell the atkasuki's goal is either. My guess is in the next chapter or two were going to see the reapperance of tobi because it's been too damn long waiting for him to make his apperance. Also before someone else makes this prediction I predict that the leader of the Akatsuki will turn out to be this new Uchila guy who was the first person to use the MS sharingan.

Hey first time posting but Big Whoop Wanna Fight About It? Long time reader first time poster. Id have to agree with Lobster. If you look at Chapter 254 pg.15 and zoom in on the first picture at the top. You will see the leader has the Sharigan busted. I dont think its Itachi because Itachi's hair likes to droop down.

[Death BOO Z]

actually he doesn't have sharingan eyes...
if he had, than we would have known it already..

though, you might still have Inane's fucked up version of the page, where they edited a sharingan into his eyes..

still, welcome aboard, don't be discourded from all the flamish assholes around here, I only log in once a month,

[UberSuperHACKER]

I would have to agree with the complaints here.... The manga is definatly different then it used to be. It has evolved into a gap filled, akward thing. Where everything is left to speculation... and things like "no dont use that jujitsu" is used at least bi-weekly.

When everything becomes abstract, and must be filled in with speculation it makes it hard to really think that the writer actually has anything spefic in mind..... and begins to seem more like he is just running out of ideas and uses the abstraction as a scape goat.

Having Naruto deny the fox chakara is kinda cool... and annoying at the same time. I cannot tell if Kishimoto is trying to work something interesting into the storyline or simply using it as a cheap mechanism to further retard Naruto into a state which he was in the eailer mangas that way Naruto can grow up all over again.

...and once again .... same complaint as everyone else... 3 years of training... what did he do? It seems now like 3 years of traning and he still needs a clone to make a rasengan (#260) except now he can put fox chakara into it... which I guess he no longer does since he told the fox to bugger off.

Sauske dosent really do anything new... except he has a sword... and "coats" stuff with chidori. Although this stuff isn't as bad as a Naruto anime filler it really seems like he is running out of ideas....just taking techniques from before recycling them... and making them do new unecessary things.

In the anime and the manga during the Garaa vs Sauske fight, Kakashi (or Guy??..cannot remember) mentions that the Chdori technique turns your arm into the ultimate cutting weapon ..... Why dosent he make a sword out of chidori then? why Coat a sword in it? More importantly why use chidori to do anything... but a chidori, unless it yeilded a new effect? Chidori sword is like cut + cut = good, actually sword + chidori seems to be like a bad knife and a laser cutter. Next time I am in the lab I am going to duct tape one of the high power lasers there to a butter knife... then use that to cut samples.

Before it was fun becuase the logic seemed to be fitting, one thing lead to another. They learned how to concentrate chakara into their feet to run up trees... Sasuke puts chakara into his legs to jump out of the way of Haku's attack during the wave countery arc.

I know, its a COMIC BOOK. it doesn't have to totally make sense; but like any other piece of fantasy its the authors job to create a suspension of disbelief in the reader/watcher which allows you to forget about the small discrepancies inorder to emerse yourself in the fantasy world they create. Before, Naruto did this for me......but latley it has been failing.
It really does just seem like Kishimoto is just burning out.

[Assertn]

chidori + sword = cut+shock/paralysis

[mage]

chidori sword also adds more range to the attack.

[heero]

With this chapter, we can finally conclude that Oro is WEAKER than Itachi.
Also, it seems Kyuubi is scared of Sasuke.
So here's my assumption:
Itachi > Oro > Sasuke > Kyuubi > everyone else

Conclusion: This story is fucked up.

[mage]

Just because Kyubi said those things about Sasuke doesn't mean he couldn't easily own the shit out of him. The Uchiha were around when Kyubi first attacked Konoha, but they obviously weren't able to do anything since the fourth had to seal it.