Originally posted by: AssertnFailureBut as i mentioned, the law I reference is the one established through the anime community. I merely paralleled it with aspects of US copyright law as well. It's not hypocrisy if you interpret it with this regard.
As much as I love watching anime and enjoy speaking with people who do. I live in another world as well. One that follows US laws and such. One where penalties actually have an effect. On the anime community, correction; on the online anime community it is very easy for me to break many laws. Get what I need an reassume a new identity. The consequences are minimal at best.

But we are digressing a bit.

Your first post was not of legality. Breaking laws or any of this.

Your first post and original argument was that one should not donate to NarutoFan because the own may be lying about how much is needed to support the site. I would just like to note that the rest of the arguments we are having are by products and not your initial stance.

Are you saying that fairness is only a concept for the self-centered? How about this take on it: I find it unfair that people who blatantly disregard rules are rewarded for it, while those more ethical, such as myself, am not.
I'm saying that when it comes to business that if there is no transcendental force to regulate, that all is fair. Though, yes, many things may be unfair but life was never meant to be fair. There is no mythical universal creedo that says everything must be fair.

Perhaps we should create a topic in the general forum as we are losing the subject of NarutoFan itself.

Another thing, I'm glad you brought up this argument, actually, as it further supports one of my earlier claims. As I said before, Narutofan brings an underground community to the surface. Those of us devoted to the anime cult are in a pretty good relationship with dub groups: Some of us that support localized distribution will purchase their products - Some of us that don't won't. If we don't then chances are we weren't their target audience anyway, and so the lost in profit from us obtaining our own free encodes is relatively negligable to the cost of enforcing any policy against us.
Here we have another clash of idealogies. I was taught to face tension and deal with issues. Underground communities hide. Hiding which is often attributed to cowardice. You're saying you'd rather lay low and let things be instead of standing up for what you believe is right.

In the case of the anime community, the idea that anime should be free for those to enjoy.

People like you, however, are the type that like anime, yet don't have the means to become part of the underground community. People like YOU are their target audience, and when your numbers dwindle in their profit margins, then that's when problems arise. If you wish to be part of this community, you have to make the sacrifices of learning how to navigate through its infrastructure. This is what seperates us from Viz's potentially marketable figures. Illegal licensed anime distribution was never meant to be a public invitation.
People like me eh? So you're creating an us and them within the anime watcher group. My favorite fall back term elite or 1337. Are you judging me so harshly already based on one argument with some ideologies? I'm defending a man's business practice. He does not force people to donate or give him money. He does not make anyone do anything they don't already want to but you seem to be shifting this very personally.

How do you think I've watched most of the series I've watched?

Before bit torrent, there was kazaa, before that I went to China Town in Manhattan and bought tapes, before that I borrowed from friends. What part of this string consitutes as them---oh wait "my people", no your term is fine; target audiences.

Target audience my ass. Not everyone is computer literate, right now you're being full of yourself. The number of people who don't know their ass from their elbows when it comes to computers could very well be happy in your "oh so elite underground community" but don't know or understand how. There are also people with things called lives. Not everyone can spend time and hours on end learning how to do this crap. Yes hours on end learning, just because you might have learned very fast does not mean everyone else does. Does this make you better than them, not really; it just makes you more skilled in one area.

The past few posts I've been civil and enjoying but this last one is quite offensive. Because you decided to end the argument the post before last, you now choose to attack me personal?

I'm glad you had fun.
That is one of the points to posting on a message board.

Originally posted by: Assassin
i think subbers should copywright thier subs. not the episodes, but the text files or whatever that they merge with the video. Since that is thier own work, they should be able to copywright it, and so no one would be able to get rich off thier hard work.

Im sure if you got a lawyer, he'd be able to find some way to accomplish this.
To do so would bring that instantly in the lime light for other organizations which would defeat one of the arguments that AssertnFailure was standing behind.

Originally posted by: Cyberdude93
You're right. I'm sorry. In fact, I'd like to make an anouncement. All TV rippers and warez groups suck because they don't have direct downloads. Piracy shouldn't be hard, everyone knows that illegal activity should be as easy as possible. And if anyone wants them, I have a list a bunch of Paypal passwords I phished for.

No, just no. I know fansubs are different from other things in that they're significantly more moral, but the fact is it's illegal. One last analogy, ever been on an Xbox mod chip forum? They are filled with tonnes of people who just buy the mod chip and wonder why when they flash their BIOS with FlashBIOS, all that happens is FlashBIOS appears. That's people not reading filenames let alone googling information. Do you sympathise with them? And bare in mind that many people don't mod for pirate games, they mod to play freeware games, backup games and videos, which is just as moral and still illegal (to be detailed, assuming you use a hacked BIOS).
So to reiterate your point only those who are literate with computer technology should be allowed to have easy free access to such material? Am I right? If so then those who arn't have to pay to get such things? Correct? If this is true then the argument at hand about giving money to NarutoFan; is one which your stance is "let it be cause they are unskilled enough to figure it out and pay?"

I never said it should be made easy access. I just pointed out the poor attitude within your post. Heaven forbid you had to farm your food for a living or something of that nature. I'm sure you'd be completely lost in the field (no pun intended). Same with many other fields as no one knows everything.

Alright. I apologize for complicating this. It was my backhanded method of calling you a pompous ass. See, there I said it. Insert and insult on me if you want to make it even or don't to feel superor. Are we done with this?

Originally posted by: Knives122
Hey Assertn, I suggest you dl whats on the front page, you'll get the most "kick" out of this

Bleach 7

and it reiterates the fact that Narutofan is trying to rip us off.
Who is this we getting ripped off? I've not gotten charged a single cent for any manga.