Narutofan

[ImitationSanen]

Correct, assuming he lives in the United States which would require him to surrender 33% of it to the federal government (plus whatever state taxes). I believe the EU countries have a tax rate of around 40% ( Not completely sure, but that sounds reasonable). If he lives in canada its some insanely high rate because of their "free" healthcare. So in any case, he owes some countries IRS some big ass cash.

Theres a saying that goes around here.

"I fear not soldier, not sailor, not airmen, nor marine,
but the Tax man is o so mean."

IRS /shiver

[ShinobiNiNaritai]

DAAMMMNNNN, Phew!
I just finally got to the end of this thread and I am already overdosing on the sheer amount of posting there was to this.
And " Mixairian", that was way too much at one time, each time. After your first post I couldnt bring myself to read anything else you wrote. Your posts were to damn long.
I do have an opinion on the concept and topic of this thread. Basically someone making money on something that is offered free by someone else. Now I don't know if this Tazmo fellow is doing that, but if that is the case then I would have to agree with what Assertn said (in theory at least, since I couldnt finish read all he said either...he was responding to your posts :-)

[Cyberdude93]

Originally posted by: ImitationSanen
Correct, assuming he lives in the United States which would require him to surrender 33% of it to the federal government (plus whatever state taxes). I believe the EU countries have a tax rate of around 40% ( Not completely sure, but that sounds reasonable). If he lives in canada its some insanely high rate because of their "free" healthcare.

With that logic, I presume UK wouldn't share the same rate as the rest of the EU, what with the free healthcare and all =P

[ImitationSanen]

"I believe" means I am making a constructive guess based on past experiences in the UK and Germany. From reading through various documents it looks like the EU doesnt even know what the EU charges for income tax. If you know what the income tax rate is for the wealthy over there I would be interested to know. The system has gone through so many changes since ive last been over there I have no idea anymore >_<.


edit: I wonder if they are able to levee seperate income taxes in the individual country not related to EU taxes. Like the United States has Federal Tax (the big government) and State by State taxes that are set by the State or Territory, which the funds gathered are used only in that state or territory. Altho this is an anime/manga forum, maybe I shouldn't research tax laws here =0

[Kraco]

EU doesn't collect any taxes. EU get all its budget money from the member states, based on negotiations between the members, that is, how much each member pays to the EU budget. The member states then set their own taxes to whatever levels they like. EU doesn't have a common taxation policy, although sometimes standardization of certain taxes has been tried to bring into the negotiations, but I believe those negotiations have always failed completely. So, it's up to each member state how much they tax their poor citizens.

[Sapphire]

LOL. "If you support NarutoFan Plus then you support communism... or something" - DB comment; episode 168

[Mixairian]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Here you associate yourself with the audience that relies on Narutofan, while part of my argument was that the people that didn't have other means to obtain naruto media were causing the problems with offsetting the target demographic.

You caught me. I apologize and rescind the previous tyrade.

Are you saying....teach them how to use IRC/bittorrent, or teach them the value of product support? If a person that happily goes to suncoast every week to purchase the latest anime dvd is educated about a method of obtaining anime for free, then that would be bad for business. I say let the ignorant remain ignorant. Nobody's loss.

On the note of teaching people. When I first came in contact with IRC it was a pain to get anyone to tell you anything. Without support from friends, I'm not sure I'd of figured it out. When people come trying to learn such things, they're treated quite harshly. Everyone forgets that they did not start with complete knowledge in any given field. I'm not much for chastizing a person for not knowing what I once didn't know.

I'll also take this time to point out my own personal ideals when it comes to illegally obtaining movies/shows/games/etc. I believe in this policy:
If you'd rather not watch/play it at all than to pay for its market value, then downloading it is nobody's loss.
If the only means for me to watch Naruto was to buy the dvds, then I wouldn't watch Naruto. Not because I don't like it, but I refuse to spend $30x(170/4) on it. Trigun I liked, and bought all the dvds. Most movies I own are legitimate. All my xbox games are downloaded (I wouldn't even own an xbox at all if it wasn't for the mod capability). However, I cannot count on others to follow the same line of rationale.

A new argument to indulge; the same could be said for cars, jewelery, sneakers or food.

So if the "make-a-wish" foundation jar at the local 7-11 went towards the cashier's binge drinking habits instead of to misfortunate children, then you'd be ok with that, because it's not a health risk?

I wouldn't care. But for th sake of responding, on a business note, he is tarnishing another business' reputation by doing such. I'll interject this now, fansubbing groups are not a business.

Originally posted on: animemusicvideos.org forums
Here is how all of this relates to us: A fan was confused about some Evanescence AMVs found on this site. For some reason, the fan decided to attempt to contact Evanescence and ask if the band had created the videos. Whoever received the message from the fan placed the question on the desk of the bands lawyer so that they could best answer the fans question. The lawyer then asked the bands licensing department if our site had a license to offer Evanescence AMVs. Since the answer was no and the band would like to maintain the enforceability of the copyright on their songs, the lawyer had no choice but to take some kind of action.

Originally posted by: Kraco
This is what happens when people aren't forced to think even a little bit before they are provided services. Everybody is able to think that much, if required. You said some things require no brain power. I'm saying they should. Well, since nothing has yet happened to anime due to Narutofan, I suppose it could be argued this amv comparison is not relevant at all here. Only time will tell the truth.

Holy shit, prick move on the bands behalf. This brings up the idea of education, if the person had been taught; this incident may have not occured. It did occur because of a person's ignorance, oui?

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
In the midst of all this, I can't help being a bit jealous (weird huh?). I mean, 30.000+ USD for writing nonsense every tuesday is not that bad.



I want to kill him.

I doubt very many people are upest because what he may or may not be doing is seems messed up but share your view without saying so.

Originally posted by: ImitationSanen
"Well said. Why is it I'm fond of the writing styles of most folks that come from the military?"

Because we have a requirement when we right anything down, it has to contain actual facts, and be as short as possible to save transmission bandwidth and space.
Which usually means you get 80 percent facts, 15 percent operater interpretation of the facts and 5 percent of operater filler bullshit (humor ect) to try to keep the person reading it from falling into a catatonic state. We do have a rather unique sense of humor though, Im glad to see someone can appreciate its weirdness.

You know sooner or later im going to finish my law degree, if someone doesnt take him to court by the time I finish, I may do it on behalf of the studios. Hey if he can get rich off of Naruto by being a scumbag that gives me the right to piss in his Kool-aid right?

I really have to learn how to post like this.

Originally posted by: ShinobiNiNaritai
DAAMMMNNNN, Phew!
I just finally got to the end of this thread and I am already overdosing on the sheer amount of posting there was to this.
And " Mixairian", that was way too much at one time, each time. After your first post I couldnt bring myself to read anything else you wrote. Your posts were to damn long.
I do have an opinion on the concept and topic of this thread. Basically someone making money on something that is offered free by someone else. Now I don't know if this Tazmo fellow is doing that, but if that is the case then I would have to agree with what Assertn said (in theory at least, since I couldnt finish read all he said either...he was responding to your posts :-)

My apologies. I'm rather neurotic and garralous. I am working on fixing it though.

Originally posted by: ImitationSanen
Correct, assuming he lives in the United States which would require him to surrender 33% of it to the federal government (plus whatever state taxes). I believe the EU countries have a tax rate of around 40% ( Not completely sure, but that sounds reasonable). If he lives in canada its some insanely high rate because of their "free" healthcare. So in any case, he owes some countries IRS some big ass cash.

Theres a saying that goes around here.

"I fear not soldier, not sailor, not airmen, nor marine,
but the Tax man is o so mean."

IRS /shiver

Seeing as you've some knowledge in the field, I'll ask you. Are their any countries where such income taxing would not be an issue or where Tazmo would be beyond the reach of the US legal system.

[ImitationSanen]

Sorry for the clunky formatting Gotwoot forum wasn't meant for long winded legal opinions.

"Seeing as you've some knowledge in the field, I'll ask you. Are their any countries where
such income taxing would not be an issue or where Tazmo would be beyond the reach of
the US legal system. "

Okay thats a 2 part question Ill break it down and give you an answer for each based on my
Knowledge. However, due to the fact that there really are very few international laws and
they are constantly changing I can't say that its something you could take to court. However
with a legal question
!!!!!!!it wont be as short and clean as my usual posts since you have to
touch on every angle.!!!!!!
Please take note of this before you hate on me for posting something so big =0

With that said lets go to part 1:
"Are their any countries where such income taxing would not be an issue"

Countries with New, Unstable, or nonexistant governments are in the process of forming
tax laws and relations with the international community. Almost every established country
(members of the UN) have laws written in their native constitutions and whatnot that make
it a criminal offense to use the copyrighted works of others for profit without due
permission and reparation.
If he were in a non UN member state, or a Communist nation
(China denies reparations to any copyright holder outside of china. They believe the nation
(read the corrupt government) is immune to all foreign taxation. (El_Boss I cant help that
communist nation states are corrupt and dishonest, blame them not me.)

However each of those states would want a big cut of the profit, since the idea of communism is work for
all, all the money for the government. So basically unless hes in a developing or unstable
government situation, he owes a government a big chunk of taxes.

However the real question here is, is he violating copyrights by making money by using
several groups works without permission for personal gain. Tax fraud is one thing, but that
concerns him and his respective nation. The true question is addressed in part 2

Part 2.
"where Tazmo would be beyond the reach of the US legal system."

From our UN relations advisor, (altho he probably just googled it, lazy Aussie)
Extradition-The consensus in international law is that a state does not have any obligation
to surrender an alleged criminal to a foreign state, as one principle of sovereignty is that
every state has legal authority over the people within its borders. Such absence of
international obligation and desire of the right to demand such criminals of other
countries has caused a web of extradition treaties or agreements to evolve; most countries
in the world have signed bilateral extradition treaties with most other countries.

Okay so thats what extradition means and how it works. Japan and the United States are so
intertwined economically they are more or less one in the same when it comes to
copyrights and royalties since they swap many forms of digital entertainment. (Anime,
Hollywood movies, Video Games). So what you are asking is, is there anyplace this person
could be known to be doing this, but out of the reach of the US/Japan? I know 3 places in
the whole world that condone copyright infringement for the imbetterment ( I can't spell that word) of its own
people.

1. The Peoples Republic of China has a standing policy to deny extradition of criminals to
anyone and refuses to recognize international copyright law.
2. North Korea has the same policy.
3. Russia, but its trying desperately to crack down on it. Seems like after the wall fell,
people are abusing the fact the KGB isnt around anymore.

The United States (US) lacks extradition treaties with over fifty nations (several islamic
nation states, and many developing countries.) then we have the People's Republic of China and North Korea. Infact the PRC and North Korea don't have extradition treaties with anyone...
Oddly enough N. Korea and China hate each other too.

So the answer to question 2 is yes, North Korea or China (Russia.. maybe..). However, since
the government so highly controls freedoms of speech and expression, It is highly
doubtful he is in either of those nations, since they both hate the Japanese and their
culture (anime) and would not incourage its distribution.

If I had to guess where he was, I would choose Russia, democratic society (even a still
forming and partially corrupt one (god bless them they are trying) is a much safer place to
practice copyright infringement, and tax fraud, since your lives mean nothing in
communist nations and very little economic pressure from Japan or the US would easily
spell the end to his pitiful existence.

I would like to end with this thought. This is not an attack on any nation I am merely
stating facts as they stand from my perception. I may or may not be correct, and I give no
guarantees to the legality of any of the above stated opinions. *gasp* pant* Okay im
headed to the ladies of bleach I need a break

[Assertn]

You guys are going off-topic....

BTW, I think Tazmo lives in Canada

[Dezalanel]

Yeah he does, he is always talking about hockey and shit and does not even know what the superbowl is.

[Fudgeman]

this guy is as bad as ebaums world, they just took other peoples movies and now there rich bitch

this guy takes other peoples fansubs and now hes rich bitch

[Assertn]

pseudo-spoiler manga pic

There. 3 references of groups explicitly denying support for Naruto Fan. The first image is the opening sequence to the latest Naruto ep from DB. The second two are older manga clips from Inane. Inane even released a parody chapter referring to Narutofan stealing publicly available goods for personal profit, I'm having trouble finding where I left that though [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img].

The irony is that they're all from media that can probably be downloaded directly off of Narutofan.com. Doesn't get much more insulting than that.

I wonder what ever happened to mixairian.

[Kraco]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I wonder what ever happened to mixairian.

Maybe Tazmo is cutting expenses, and fired his net lawyer...

[Ero-Fan]

Originally posted by: Kraco

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
I wonder what ever happened to mixairian.

Maybe Tazmo is cutting expenses, and fired his net lawyer...

Or he realized he was fighting on the losing side of this battle and ditched.

[Edort4]

Originally posted by: ImitationSanen
Correct, assuming he lives in the United States which would require him to surrender 33% of it to the federal government (plus whatever state taxes). I believe the EU countries have a tax rate of around 40% ( Not completely sure, but that sounds reasonable). If he lives in canada its some insanely high rate because of their "free" healthcare. So in any case, he owes some countries IRS some big ass cash.

in most Eu countrys the taxes oscile between 25%-45 depending on your income and if your income is lower that 9000-10k¬ you dont have to pay. And in canada is very similar. Free health care, pensions etc doesnt mean more taxes. It all depends on how the country manages its money.

For example here:

9050¬< no taxes
9051¬-17800¬ 24%
17801¬-32800¬ 28%
32801¬-52800¬ 37%
52801¬> 43%

Of course if you have childrens you have a discount, if you have old ppl at your charge, if you have just buyed a house, some discpacity on the family and more.

In my opinion not very fair.

¬=Euros

[Kurapica]

The internets should be free for all.

But the thing is that some people are taking anime/manga for the masses a little too far. To what cost should you distribute anime and manga?

[myXfishysXrXcool]

Okay...I didn't read the first 6 pages because tahts just a big waste of my time. Anyways if people want to pay for Anime, by all means they can. If Tazmo is the one making the bucks hey more power to him. Inane is a group of retards saying "Narutofan does not have permission to INane to distribute" is a load of crap, for starters they dont have premission to distribute they are just pissed because someone came in and rolled the mover like dirt. I wish I could pay for that stuff because BitTorrent and mIRC etc.......are too complicated for me and a big waste of time. So stop freaking complaing and get on with your lifes and worry about something that effects you in life.

[Cyberdude93]

Hmm.
[*]BT and mIRC [sic] too complicated for him[*]Supposedly can't pay for the stuff

I can only conclude that either you are really stupid and low on money, or you're some 10 year old boy who hasn't been allowed to use his mummy's credit card. I know you could really be any age, but I'm betting on the fact that seeing how the UK allow anyone age 11 and up to have a debit card, then many other countries will too. I also like to take the optimistic attitude that since I am 16 and find Bittorrent easy, it can't be that hard for anyone older.

And Shounen Jump not giving INane permission to distribute the magna doesn't negate INane not giving Narutofan permission. When it comes to anime and manga, there are so little legal problems everything is as good as owned by whoever translates them.

[Deadfire]

Originally posted by: myXfishysXrXcool
Okay...I didn't read the first 6 pages because tahts just a big waste of my time.

And as such your post is meaningless...so why did you post it?...Or why did you ever create a new account to post such shit?

Anyways if people want to pay for Anime, by all means they can. If Tazmo is the one making the bucks hey more power to him.

Well If you read the topic we never said they had to do anything, I still have to waste my time to deal with your shit post. Why can't I get money for it... Shit you should have to pay me because i had to edit this pile.

Inane is a group of retards saying "Narutofan does not have permission to INane to distribute" is a load of crap, for starters they dont have premission to distribute they are just pissed because someone came in and rolled the mover like dirt.

Hmm.. well Inane may be a retarded group but yet they seem to have alot more knowledge of what they are doing they you could ever grasp. Plus If i worked hard translationing langanges for free and someone else getting paid for it I'd be pissed too. But I guess it needs to be broken down for you to understand

If I did all this work ripping your shit post, Then a mod comes around deletes my post and posts the same thing using his/her account. Then the later posts praise that mod for his work, and i get shit all. Make sense yet?

I wish I could pay for that stuff because BitTorrent and mIRC etc.......are too complicated for me and a big waste of time. So stop freaking complaing and get on with your lifes and worry about something that effects you in life.

Wait a min, you found this site.... and NarutoFan. You manged to create a account on this forum., Yet you wasted your time posting something that is meaningless, you complained that the people of this forum are idiots and yet THEY CAN ALL use BitTorrent. You worried about this "something" enough to make your account and post once. This makes it appear to matter to you what we think about this subject but yet it doesn't effect you in life either

Do us a favour...Leave until you can start reading and understanding like the big boys do

[masamuneehs]

^^^

He's obviously a plant from someone at NarutoFan.
That or a complete retard.

Either way, good work ripping him Deadfire.