UPDATE: Don't pay for membership or donate to Narutofan.com. You can get that shit for free elsewhere, and it ain't his shit to offer anyways.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Could someone give me and probably countless others in the forum an update on what is going on in this thread like they do in the news... if you have just joined us sort of thing... honestly the length of some of these posts is bad for the health of the reader let alone the writer.
There, happy?
"Pudding can't fill the emptiness inside me! But it'll help."
Thanks for noticing Kraco [img]i/expressions/heart.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Kraco
I just now thought about it, Assertn, but you write very well. I'm not meaning now the contents (which I fully agree with, though), but the technical and artistic merits of your writing. Well, this hasn't much to do with the topic of the thread; it's just that a thread like this is more likely to reveal true writing skills than a random episode discussion thread.
I like being more articulate when the situation calls for it.
But usually that's not the case in an anime forum.
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Cheers.Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
UPDATE: Don't pay for membership or donate to Narutofan.com. You can get that shit for free elsewhere, and it ain't his shit to offer anyways.Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Could someone give me and probably countless others in the forum an update on what is going on in this thread like they do in the news... if you have just joined us sort of thing... honestly the length of some of these posts is bad for the health of the reader let alone the writer.
There, happy?
Trouble is, NarutoFan will stay up until it gets bitched at by *US organisation here*. Then of course Gotwoot will be in a bit of trouble.
Why?
Because Narutofan caters to the stupid people, or more accurately, those who are too fucking lazy to learn. "Screw Bittorrent, I'm too lazy to read up on how to forward ports" "WAAH IRC IS TOO COMPLICATED", and I'm sure that some of you will have heard of someone trying to play a torrent file in WMP. Hell I've heard of someone trying to play one in an emulator.
And now that the US anime is out, there'll be a fair share of people who enjoy it who look for more stuff on the Internet. Some of those people will be willing to read fansubs but not willing to learn BT/IRC/etc., hence Narutofan grows.
Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Wow, I think that's the first time I actually had to thoroughly search a post to find a reply aimed towards me. :S
Seriously, that's one damn long post.
And the duck, while not particularly sexy, does at least look rather gothic. That's not a bad thing [img][/img]
My bad, I usually post in that manner as to not spam and multi post. ^_^ Goth can be quite sexy. ^_^
I know quite a few popular ones that have been up and running for years. It all depends on how good your legal team is.Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
Me? Eloquent? What has the world come to?
Unfortunatly, that disclaimer doesn't mean shit since just about every illegal download site has one, even the ones that were brought down. And by own the original content, he means the user, not him. If he was distributing dvd rips, it would be another infraction against him, not add any legitimacy.
To be more specific, the argument is that if you're going to sight illegality as one of your qualms with Tazmo, your case is weakened as it shows a level of hypocrisy. That was the only reason to point out DB or AonE.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Mixairian:
It's arrogant to assume that I assumed. Have you even looked at his 2006 budget list? All of his media servers reside in Chicago, Illinois.
So now you're going to pull the double standards clause on me and say that if tazmo is getting ridiculed, then aone and db should be as well?
Again, we've just altering ideologies here. The only time I would view sucha feat as unfair is if it worked against me specifically. To a degree it does but I recognize this and I see nothing wrong with what Tazmo is doing. As you mentioned, my "personal justice" is one where the internet is free. I don't view what either does as illegal. One is a communistic type public service and the other is a capitalistic enterprise.Fine, if you want to be technical about it, then so be it. I, like the rest of us who are a part of the anime community, establish our own unwritten concept of justice within the system we operate in. Even if it wasn't officially illegal for tazmo to do what he does, it's still unfair to take advantage of the services provided by others. And don't start about his "service"...I could've made a site like his in a matter of a month on my own, and let it residually bring in the income, while you've got groups that meticulously follow anime series on a weekly basis over the course of years and not seeing a dime from it. I criticize people that burn episodes to dvds and sell them on ebay just the same. It's meant to be a free community designed to introduce the world to japanese entertainment. In this regard, it's harmless. But once you reach a level of mainstream that Narutofan is at, then that's a different matter altogether.
The best argument you have provided is your fear for the anime community. I find this as a viable risk because withou NarutoFan, I'd never have been able to download the manga. I wouldn't even know where to look. On top of this, his site is one of the first sites I go to get my Naruto news. I'm not the only person that his site has helped for free. It would be ridiculous to think that I would be in the minority considering how popular and well his site is doing.
The average internet browser is not skilled with finding such materials as the manga and anime for download. Yes it gets more attention from possible negative sources but it introduces more people to this type of genre. Perhaps if anime fans were in a considerably higher number, as a group one could try to fight the copyright laws.
Citation case in the music industry:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/i...oad.suit.ap/index.html
Internet illiterate parents fights fines, she's being back by a lot of anti copyright law people.
I've been defending NarutoFan soley for the service it has provided myself and millions of others. Any response to such things has merely been me being meticulous enough to respond to all of your points.If you want to defend Narutofan on the grounds that my theory of his profit margin is inaccurate, then that's fine.
Well, like most internet arguments in the end we've just entertained minds for a few days. It was fun.But if you're going to question the ethics of profit from unapproved anime distribution with respect to non-profit from unapproved anime distribution, then you're wasting your time posting here, as members of the community in question aren't interested. I don't wish to go any further on that topic, anyway....I've pretty much said all that I need to say.
Your verbosity had brought me out of lurker status. We may have disagreed on ideals but that made it all the more fun.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Thanks for noticing Kraco [img][/img]
I like being more articulate when the situation calls for it.
But usually that's not the case in an anime forum.
I apologize in advance for the double post but it appears I cannot edit posts I make in these forums without recieving some type of error.
This is a rather unfair and arrogant statement to assume that all people are, can be and have the time to become online literate.Originally posted by: Cyberdude93
Trouble is, NarutoFan will stay up until it gets bitched at by *US organisation here*. Then of course Gotwoot will be in a bit of trouble.
Why?
Because Narutofan caters to the stupid people, or more accurately, those who are too fucking lazy to learn. "Screw Bittorrent, I'm too lazy to read up on how to forward ports" "WAAH IRC IS TOO COMPLICATED", and I'm sure that some of you will have heard of someone trying to play a torrent file in WMP. Hell I've heard of someone trying to play one in an emulator.
And now that the US anime is out, there'll be a fair share of people who enjoy it who look for more stuff on the Internet. Some of those people will be willing to read fansubs but not willing to learn BT/IRC/etc., hence Narutofan grows.
But as i mentioned, the law I reference is the one established through the anime community. I merely paralleled it with aspects of US copyright law as well. It's not hypocrisy if you interpret it with this regard.Originally posted by: Mixairian
To be more specific, the argument is that if you're going to sight illegality as one of your qualms with Tazmo, your case is weakened as it shows a level of hypocrisy. That was the only reason to point out DB or AonE.
Are you saying that fairness is only a concept for the self-centered? How about this take on it: I find it unfair that people who blatantly disregard rules are rewarded for it, while those more ethical, such as myself, am not.Again, we've just altering ideologies here. The only time I would view sucha feat as unfair is if it worked against me specifically. To a degree it does but I recognize this and I see nothing wrong with what Tazmo is doing. As you mentioned, my "personal justice" is one where the internet is free. I don't view what either does as illegal. One is a communistic type public service and the other is a capitalistic enterprise.
For one thing, I fail to see how your citation supports your case. Joining Naruto-fan and paying $3.50 a month for direct anime downloads is most certainly a conscious decision one makes.The best argument you have provided is your fear for the anime community. I find this as a viable risk because withou NarutoFan, I'd never have been able to download the manga. I wouldn't even know where to look. On top of this, his site is one of the first sites I go to get my Naruto news. I'm not the only person that his site has helped for free. It would be ridiculous to think that I would be in the minority considering how popular and well his site is doing.
The average internet browser is not skilled with finding such materials as the manga and anime for download. Yes it gets more attention from possible negative sources but it introduces more people to this type of genre. Perhaps if anime fans were in a considerably higher number, as a group one could try to fight the copyright laws.
Citation case in the music industry:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/i...oad.suit.ap/index.html
Internet illiterate parents fights fines, she's being back by a lot of anti copyright law people.
Another thing, I'm glad you brought up this argument, actually, as it further supports one of my earlier claims. As I said before, Narutofan brings an underground community to the surface. Those of us devoted to the anime cult are in a pretty good relationship with dub groups: Some of us that support localized distribution will purchase their products - Some of us that don't won't. If we don't then chances are we weren't their target audience anyway, and so the lost in profit from us obtaining our own free encodes is relatively negligable to the cost of enforcing any policy against us.
People like you, however, are the type that like anime, yet don't have the means to become part of the underground community. People like YOU are their target audience, and when your numbers dwindle in their profit margins, then that's when problems arise. If you wish to be part of this community, you have to make the sacrifices of learning how to navigate through its infrastructure. This is what seperates us from Viz's potentially marketable figures. Illegal licensed anime distribution was never meant to be a public invitation.
I'm glad you had fun.Your verbosity had brought me out of lurker status. We may have disagreed on ideals but that made it all the more fun.
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I think this sentence alone sums up why Mixairian has been defending narutofan so fiercely.Originally posted by: Mixairian
I've been defending NarutoFan soley for the service it has provided myself and millions of others. Any response to such things has merely been me being meticulous enough to respond to all of your points.
"Pudding can't fill the emptiness inside me! But it'll help."
Very interesting thread Assertn. I am rather impressed.
Personally I would never pay for the stuff that is freely available out there and you just have to do a bit of research.
Ok if are too rich and stupid that I can understand otherwise there is no excuse.
What if your lazy? If I signed up, I'd sign up for one month, take all the anime I can get, than close my account![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Jadugar
Very interesting thread Assertn. I am rather impressed.
Personally I would never pay for the stuff that is freely available out there and you just have to do a bit of research.
Ok if are too rich and stupid that I can understand otherwise there is no excuse.
the time it would take to find and download all those torrentz would be huge. Spend $3.50 and get it all over with in one month. But of course there is still the flaw of bringing all this illegal fandom to the surface.
Originally posted by: Cyberdude93
Trouble is, NarutoFan will stay up until it gets bitched at by *US organisation here*. Then of course Gotwoot will be in a bit of trouble.
Why?
Because Narutofan caters to the stupid people, or more accurately, those who are too fucking lazy to learn. "Screw Bittorrent, I'm too lazy to read up on how to forward ports" "WAAH IRC IS TOO COMPLICATED", and I'm sure that some of you will have heard of someone trying to play a torrent file in WMP. Hell I've heard of someone trying to play one in an emulator.
And now that the US anime is out, there'll be a fair share of people who enjoy it who look for more stuff on the Internet. Some of those people will be willing to read fansubs but not willing to learn BT/IRC/etc., hence Narutofan grows.
most truth in a post i've seen about narutoids.
Originally posted by: God#2
What if your lazy? If I signed up, I'd sign up for one month, take all the anime I can get, than close my account![img][/img]
the time it would take to find and download all those torrentz would be huge. Spend $3.50 and get it all over with in one month. But of course there is still the flaw of bringing all this illegal fandom to the surface.
...congrats, you have paid $3.50 to download 4 naruto fillers, YES IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT!
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
I agree...I downloaded the first couple of books of Lone Wolf & Cub and after reading them and I immediately decided that they were too good to not own.Originally posted by: Psyke
I don't see how that's bad. It's a way of supporting the manga, and it's good to collect an entire series on manga and then keep/read it. Ok there's storage problems, but of course you're not gonna buy that much manga. For me personally, I buy quite a bit of manga including Bleach and Naruto, although I'm reading the raws/scanlations downloaded from the internet every week. It's a totally different feeling when you're reading from a book rather than from your computer screen.Originally posted by: aznroyale
ppl are retarted.........like one of my friend's friend, he buys manga, and he could download them instead
It would seem that you have totally missed this thread if you can't find any torrents: http://forums.gotwoot.net/mess...156&enterthread=y.Originally posted by: God#2
the time it would take to find and download all those torrentz would be huge.
And your saying that downloading those torrents would be huge? Sure, of course it will. Most completed animes range at about 3-5 gig or so (depends on if its a tv rip or dvd rip and how many episodes it has since most animes go beyond the standard 26 episodes). But to spend money when you have found an anime your looking for? All it requires is patience, nothing more. I would easily choose a free torrent that needs 2 days or so to complete rather than spend money for fansubs that are meant to be FREE just because the servers provide easy and fast downloading.
This fantastic Sousuke sig was made by the one and only Lucifus! Thanks man!
i think subbers should copywright thier subs. not the episodes, but the text files or whatever that they merge with the video. Since that is thier own work, they should be able to copywright it, and so no one would be able to get rich off thier hard work.
Im sure if you got a lawyer, he'd be able to find some way to accomplish this.
I'll just add my two cents on this whole situation:
I am extremely grateful to all the fansubs, even if some of them can be horrible. They provide a free service to people like us and don't even ask for money. This is practically charity, although in an illegal way (but who really cares about that? If anyone did, we wouldn't have subbed anime).
With the whole NarutoFan thing, I'm siding more with Assertn. Yeah, Tazmo shouldn't be making money from the work of others. It's not only Naruto, but.... whoa, so many of them.... NarutoFan PLUS Anime List
Right now, I'm reading his NarutoFan PLUS welcome statement, and it seems ridiculous.
"Our goal was simple; provide the very best quality for the lowest price possible!" --> Lowest price is free, which BitTorrent does. If you want to be true, make your direct downloads free.
"Don't pay $10 a month, don't even pay $5 a month at other websites with inferior service, with NarutoFan PLUS! you get access to hundreds of gigabytes, and thousands of files stored on over a dozen servers running 24 hours a day and 7 days a week." --> Again, refer to BitTorrent. Although direct downloads are great, why bother paying when you can download something for free? You just have to be more patient with torrents, and we all know that "patience is a virtue".
"We invite you to look around the website to see what you can have access to for mere pocket change a month, don't fall for the other guys who charge you way more, for way less." --> Other websites? In the 2.5 years of being an anime watcher, I have NEVER seen any other site that charges money for downloading anime or anything like that AT ALL. But then again, I have never bothered with direct downloads or whatever, so i could be biased on this part.
EDIT: I just saw in the Anime Downloads section that there are several websites that provide FREE direct downloads. It just requires a sign-up.
Been in the anime community for quite a while now and from what ive seen it seems that fansubs and bittorent made the community as big as it is today. I remember getting the tapes through the mail which took forever. I think i paid for that but that was of course postage and VCRs. It may be possible that the companies wont stop fansubbing cause it helps them also, BUT if someones making money then they may step in and stop it.
I dont care if runnin narutofan is a bussiness but not with fansubbing. Running a website can not cost that much. God thats how i pay to go to college. And even if it does he sould switch servers if he wants to keep prices low. I noticed they took the comments page off cause some were questioning about the price. It seems Tazmo is starting to slip and diggin his own grave. If he thinks hes a great asset to the community he should stop it now. As for the narutofan ppl there then they should get wise and learn patience or how to use irc/bittorent. Life needs challenges
You're right. I'm sorry. In fact, I'd like to make an anouncement. All TV rippers and warez groups suck because they don't have direct downloads. Piracy shouldn't be hard, everyone knows that illegal activity should be as easy as possible. And if anyone wants them, I have a list a bunch of Paypal passwords I phished for.Originally posted by: Mixairian
This is a rather unfair and arrogant statement to assume that all people are, can be and have the time to become online literate.
No, just no. I know fansubs are different from other things in that they're significantly more moral, but the fact is it's illegal. One last analogy, ever been on an Xbox mod chip forum? They are filled with tonnes of people who just buy the mod chip and wonder why when they flash their BIOS with FlashBIOS, all that happens is FlashBIOS appears. That's people not reading filenames let alone googling information. Do you sympathise with them? And bare in mind that many people don't mod for pirate games, they mod to play freeware games, backup games and videos, which is just as moral and still illegal (to be detailed, assuming you use a hacked BIOS).
I hope they get shut down, that would be kick ass
Hey Assertn, I suggest you dl whats on the front page, you'll get the most "kick" out of this
Bleach 7
and it reiterates the fact that Narutofan is trying to rip us off.
R.I.P Captain America.
Wait, download what now?
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