Naturally it also depends on what you are playing, even if you used both screens for the game. Or even three screens. Not all games are such resources hogs, though I don't know what your favourite game types are, Janice and Ani. I have never had more than a single screen, so I haven't tried them myself with any game, but I have some more serious gamers as friends and they play games on multi-screen with lesser cards than a monster like GTX 780 Ti.
Got my QNIX q2710 from Amazon yesterday. It's one of the cheap Korean brands that uses imperfect high quality panels. Paid a little extra to ensure no dead pixels. It's perfect aside from some back light bleed that is expected with these panels. 27 inches @ 2560x1440 is pretty awesome. I overclocked the refresh rate from 60 to 96hz. Gaming with vsync on at 96hz is SO smooth! I didn't realize the difference it would make. I get some red horizontal lines at 120hz but I suspect that's due to the cheap DVI cable that came with the monitor. Very impressed for $350. It has no OSD and zero features except for brightness control but you can still load custom color profiles through some hacks.
Still waiting on my 780ti. Newegg is being slow as shit.
Very nice choice. I'm been considering getting one of these inexpensive Korean made monitors with an S-IPS panel, the Yamakasi Catleap in 27". The Qnix has some very positive reviews on Amazon. Good to know eBay isn't the only place to get one of these cheap.Originally Posted by Janice
Got my QNIX q2710 from Amazon yesterday. It's one of the cheap Korean brands that uses imperfect high quality panels. Paid a little extra to ensure no dead pixels. It's perfect aside from some back light bleed that is expected with these panels. 27 inches @ 2560x1440 is pretty awesome. I overclocked the refresh rate from 60 to 96hz. Gaming with vsync on at 96hz is SO smooth! I didn't realize the difference it would make. I get some red horizontal lines at 120hz but I suspect that's due to the cheap DVI cable that came with the monitor. Very impressed for $350. It has no OSD and zero features except for brightness control but you can still load custom color profiles through some hacks.
Still waiting on my 780ti. Newegg is being slow as shit.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Stick with the ones you can force a higher refresh rate on. I don't think the Catleaps can be overclocked.
I've got:
i5 760 - stock clocks at 2.8GHz
ASUS - P55-LE mobo
2x4GB ram @1600MHz
4gb ram @ 1333MHz (all currently running at 1333?)
HD5870
I game at 1280x1024 at the moment, and I don't foresee upgrading that any time soon.
Should I bother upgrading to a GTX 670? I can get one for around 250$ I think (used). The only thing I'm worried about is that the CPU is the limiting factor (besides potentially the limited 1GB VRAM on the 5870), which would make my GPU upgrade a waste of money.
I've been thinking about overclocking it for some time now, but I don't think I have the cooling capacity for it. My HR-01 Plus runs it quietly but also hotly. Cleaning and reseating the cooler might help since I don't think I did a proper job last time, but I don't think it's going to make a world of difference.
edit: FYI, with my current setup, BF4 runs with the CPU at near-full capacity. VRAM is also always sitting at around 930MB or more usage. Frame rates on medium setting are between 90 and 30. It fluctuates, which leads me to think that it's either because its CPU limited, or because of texture swapping in and out of the video card.
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In my opinion a used GTX670 for 250$ isn't an awesome deal, even if not horrible either. How much does R9 280X go for in your parts? R9 280X offers probably the best price-power ratio of video cards at the moment, so it's a good reference point. In any case, keep in mind that GTX670 is hardly any beast anymore, so think carefully if you wouldn't rather add a little more money to the sum and get a modern card instead, so that it will still be jolly good when you upgrade the CPU, mobo, and memory later.
400AUD or so for the most basic models. It goes higher for the premium ones.
That's the noisy one that I commented on I think. I had my eye on the Asus DCII GTX670 because it's really quiet (load noise is only 16dbA). That said, I suppose I'm only interested in idle noise, so I can always do something about that via driver/software.
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I failed to realise you are of course talking about AUD, not USD. Ignore my earlier reply.
Can someone build me the best PC for gaming and graphics I can get with only a 700-800 dollar budget? No monitor needed. I'm shipping within the US.
Peace.
If I was going to build a budget gaming system:
i5-4570 $200
MSI Z87-G45 $145 (-10)
EVGA SuperClocked 760 w/ACX $250
Corsair HX650 $120 (-20)
Corsair Vengeance 8GB RAM $87
Corsair 200R $60 (-10)
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$862 (-40)
$822
The negatives are current gift card rebates at Newegg.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Do you need HDD/SSD/Optical drive/Operating system?
Animeniax's build doesn't include those.
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2XEtx
$868,93 ($837,91 after rebates)
remove the HDD to bring that even further down to $786,94 ($748,93); which kinda allows up to upgrade to a 770 and still be at $866,94 ($833,92)
You're welcome.
Oh yeah forgot about the HDD. Add a WD Black 1TB for $80. Hopefully he can reuse the OS key from his current system.
The two items from ds's list are also available from Newegg without the shipping cost, making them slightly cheaper than ordering from Superbiiz.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
If he has an older build he could cannibalise, he should use the OS, PSU, and case from it, if possible, in addition to the optical drive and possibly memory. All the saved money could be put to raise the level of the video card. I wouldn't personally anymore run a machine without an SSD, I recently replaced the HDD of my laptop with one as well, but in the end one can still run games from an HDD if there's a decent video card, but an SSD won't help if the video card is lousy.
From what I've seen, the GTX 760 2GB is the best priceerformance GPU available right now, so it wouldn't be worth it to spend any more on that component. I'd spend more on an SSD as you recommended, but the WD Black 1TB is fine for a gaming PC. Or maybe upgrade the CPU to a K series and get a nice cooler to overclock it.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
If you ask me it would depend in a few things. If you want a "cheap" gaming pc not thinking about upgrading anytime soon (one use only pc like) I would go with amd 8350 FX instead of intel. The performance is lower but the price is way much lower. Obviously that chip is at the end of his life so its a non upgradeable config. Mobo + chip is a dead end.
If you want something for the future (I mean doubling ram and new graphics in a 3 years span) I would go 4670 but its quite expensive. So might want to go back to a 3350p that its still very capable at a way lower price. 3350p is probably the best price/performance chip.
CPU comparison:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ck,3106-6.html
The ssd is a pleasure to use but wont get you almost any FPS. I have a samsung evo and I coudlnt imagine my life without it but it didnt grant me any performace boost on gaming and even if its 256gb it could get full with games really fast. Lately they are becoming very fat.
About graphics, I think Ani is right, gtx 760 is the best choice right now (thanks to bitcoin) but if you in some kind of miracle find an r9 270x 2gb for less than 220$ I would go for that one. And if you need a cheap solution go for 260x
Graphic comparision:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ew,3107-8.html
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If it's a game that needs to load stuff during the gameplay, then there's a very clear performance boost. Instead of waiting for half a minute you wait for five seconds. But if you only play games that load a map and then you play the same limited map for an hour, I guess it's not such an issue (until you get used to SSDs, anyway, and wouldn't want to wait even once an hour).
But for now a gaming PC with a budget less than 1000 dollars is hard pressed to include an SSD. Getting a subpar video card is a tragic mistake, though. You can always add an SSD later with absolutely nothing lost, but if you get a lousy video card first and then upgrade later, the first one will be wasted money that could have been used to get a decent one to begin with. Yeah, I've been there myself.
Yep thats true it helps with loading times. Although the only game that I clearly noticed difference with is Skyrim. If you are doing lots of fast travel+location changes it saves years of loading screens. If you have the money go for it hands down. But I would put the ssd as the cherry on the cake.
And yeah getting a lousy card could be fatal, but getting an overpriced card could be even worse. It depends completely on the person and budget but I always try to chose the best performance per $ + good performance (only choosing performance per $ can get you a 30$ card). Lately things in the graphic cards world have slowed down. The performance increase in each new generation has decreased, not really sure if its because of a tech ceilling or the effect of having game consoles guiding the gaming market now.
Anyway top tier cards dont even double the performance of medium-low tier ones when we are talking about 3x 4x 5x price difference. This means that todays 1000$ card is probably gonna be surpassed by the 3 years from now 250$ card.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
Also the future seems to be quite unstable. Lots of new APIs and new DirectX versions on the corner of the street. Dont know if things are going to speed up but right now I wouldnt look for a graphic to last longer than 3-4 years.
Last edited by Edort4; Sat, 03-01-2014 at 07:03 PM.
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AMD card pricings are interesting, since they've actually gone up from launch now I think thanks to the Mantle hype I gather. As far as SSDs go, all games load faster pretty much for me. Battlefield 4 loads under 20 seconds instead of 2 minutes.
I agree that it gets full fast, I just ran out of space on there and had to back up a whole bunch of games that I've downloaded but not yet played onto the HDD for retrieval later on.
PS: just bought a second hand Asus DC2 GTX670 for 250AUD here with 22months or so of warranty left. First time buying a 2nd hand graphics card so I'll see how it works out for me.
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Actually is mostly because of this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...w,3750-17.html
I never trusted 2 hand products. It some kind of phobia. Tell us how it works for you cause I was thinking about upgrading my card cause its making 4 years in may. Cant even play directx 11
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