If you've ever watched Black Jack, its almost exactly the same. This spinoff actually has more of a continuous plot than the vast majority of Black Jack storylines. Ray has a few consistent goals, finding her old friends, most notably her young boyfriend, and stopping the group from trafficking any more organs. Each case brings her closer to each, whereas Black Jack just does random cases everywhere.
If sick people don't come to you, then you can go to them:
Episode 9 - Froth-Bite
It was quite an interesting episode, although I'm not sure how much it actually advanced the plot. Somewhat, no doubt, but it was left unclear just what happened at the end of the episode. Aside from some nasty shooting. Certainly violent things are a part of this series, even though it so often looks like a hospital series with some supernatural elements.
But I can't help but wonder what is going to happen with Shinoyama and Ray. Shinoyama has gotten pretty straight-forward, but Ray still only misses the long lost guy from her past. I don't know just how long they can keep up such a situation. Shinoyama doesn't look like he's going to give up, but realistically thinking it should get somewhat awkward and uncomfortable for them in the long run.
I wouldnt say 'only' misses the long lost guy, since to a certain extent Ray acts weird and jealous when girls get clingy to Shinoyama.
Peace.
That is indeed true. And I almost wrote another chapter about that very thing in the previous post. And maybe that's the little hope that actually keeps Shinoyama going. However, I'm not totally sure if that even more cruel or not. Of course it suggests Shinoyama might have hope, but it also could be that Ray just considers Shinoyama someone who is always, automatically there should she ever need a substitute for the long lost guy. And even such a tiny flicker of hope, real or not, also makes it much harder for Shinoyama to move forward (though I doubt he would want to).
Well, I'm not really so fanatical about this. I just liked to write that out of a whim (albeit a somewhat persistent whim).
I dont think Shinoyama keeps on pursuing Ray because he feels he has a chance. First of all, he hasnt really seen Ray get jealous ever, because when he is getting cuddled up to by other girls, he didnt really have the time to look at Ray and check her reaction, Rather, in the episode with Shinoyamas childhood friend, he actually looked at Ray while getting touchy with the other girl, and saw a completely apathetic reaction. And judging by the way he speaks about his feelings, it seems he has accepted that he has no place in Rays heart, which is not entirely true as I said in the previous post. Ray did consider Shinoyama as the guy who is always there, convenient and ready to be used, (which is indeed cruel) but in the later episodes she actually realized what she was doing and even apologized for it. At that moment, they would have probably kissed, had Koji not interrupted with his phone call. (damn celphones)
Peace.
ah, i actually haven't seen black jack, i was told i didn't need to a bit earlier in this thread i think. it's not that the story isn't continuous, i guess it's just the flow of each episode being the same that slightly bothers me. but this week's ep (10) was a bit different from the others b/c for once, ray couldn't completely cure the patient.
about the whole shinoyama thing, i don't think there's a real reason for him to still go after ray even if she's got her mind on koiichi. that seemed to be made pretty clear in the most recent ep where he says that just b/c she loves someone else, that can't stop him from loving her. i think while he may realize there's no place in her heart for him, he can't really just decide not to love and support (be her friend and partner) her anymore.
That is true, no doubt. But I was just thinking it might be somewhat emotionally troublesome for Ray if a person who loves her, yet whom she doesn't love, is hanging around all the time, and despite everything hoping she would respond to his feelings (if you love somebody, that's what you naturally hope). And if Koiichi happened to come back, what would happen? Then surely Shinoyama would need to hit the road. Even if he hoped Koiichi would turn out to be a bastard, and Ray would come back to him. But I suppose in that situation Shinoyama doesn't much think of the tomorrow.
Yes, I do believe that the feeling of falling in love is always (and I mean always, whether people admit it or not) accompanied by the desire for to be requited. So I am not saying that shinoyama is not expecting anything at all. But, what he is doing is hardly a hopeless cause either. I think its not certain that Ray would choose Koichi (if he doesnt turn out to be a bastard) over shinoyama. Because when she was talking with red ribbon, she even doubted her own feelings for koichi (though those doubts were quelled by red ribbon, damn you red ribbon), partly because she has started to realize her feelings for shinoyama, specially since she has seen him in a new light.
Peace.
Alright! Never hope for the sickness but for the cure:
Episode 10 - Froth-Bite
Edit: Generally speaking my attitude shifts 120 degrees to the negative direction whenever cloning is made a part of a story, but for some reason that didn't happen with Ray. I wonder if this turns out to be one of the most interesting cloning stories. Certainly this episode was interesting. Many episodes ago I wished there wouldn't be action in the series anymore, but the action in this episode was actually decent, so I suppose I can take back those words.
And Koichi made an appearance. And gave me an impression of a yakuza guy. I wonder what he exactly did with his freedom after getting away from the hospital... Well, at least it looks like he wants some special kind of reunion with Ray. And with Ray confessing she still loves him, I suppose that's pretty set, unless Koichi actually doesn't plan to stay. Who knows. But one thing's sure: Shinoyama didn't look happy.
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Well, I think Koichi is definitely involved with what is happening one way or another. And I bet its in a negative way, since making him a good guy would streamline the story to him and ray getting together, removing the purpose of even developing Ray and Shinoyamas relationship in the earlier episodes (which this anime did a lot). Next episode seems interesting, probably showing the repurcussions of rays confession of still loving koichi. If shinoyama is ever going to have a chance at ray, he better not give up here.
Peace.
The search for lost friends and love continues:
Episode 11 - Froth-Bite
Hmm... A very interesting episode. Still no answer to the question who is the original source of the clones, but some other things were made clear. And Koichi indeed looks like a bad guy, which is not surprising, because of his absence, the gun and what you said, shinta|hikari. Although who knows, he might be doing what he needs to do, as well, or there could be more than one Koichis (that would be funny)... But seeing how he shot One without a second of hesitation, I wonder just how good a partner he would make for Ray.
And of course what Ray's mother said about the truth devastating Ray, after she had said Ray still loves Koichi... That could also mean Koichi is somehow related to Ray (a male version clone? A clone of the H-man?).
Last edited by Kraco; Sun, 06-18-2006 at 05:29 AM.
The grievances of cloned doctors never end:
Episode 12 - Froth-Bite
Quite an episode, although it had been warmed up for so long that you can hardly say anything surprising was revealed. Still, it's good the truth is now out, and things can move forward without all the uncertainty for a change. Even if we might get somewhat more traditional episodes from now on.
But damn Koichi would make even hardline yakuza men happy...
Last edited by Kraco; Mon, 06-26-2006 at 04:45 AM.
oh wow. it wasn't much of a surprise to see who ray's original was, cuz it was probably his wife or mother. but i was shocked to find out who koichi was, although i should have seen it coming since there's no reason to have a guy clone of a girl. i must say though, as much as the H-ring guy was wrong, i couldn't help but feel sorry for him, but still, he should have gotten some psychiatric help insteadhmm... now why would they want ray's eyes back... something to ponder.
Koichi wants Ray's eyes back because he's probably just as messed up as the H-ring man. Ray doesn't really seem concerned that she lost her eyes. Admittedly though she needs a fresh one, unless she wants to go prosthetic or just go with an eyepatch. I do wonder if it will affect her x-ray vision or not.
I gotta say though, that seeing a 50-60 year old man call a 8-12 year old "Mama" and having her respond in an equivalent manner is pretty high on the creepy meter.
Damn it. The next episode will be the last one. I didn't remember this series was also only 13 episodes. It feels like so many series these days are so short, and will be ending soon.
Episode 13 will be out really soon
Too bad the series had to end. Although with only the current story I doubt there would have been enough material for 24 or 26 episodes, so they would have needed to invent something new to avoid the series being just composed of one or two episodes miniplots.
A good last episode, though. Keichi's character was interestingly developed. Quite a strong theme of clones representing the originals, and that worked fine and consistently in this series. Scarce information was provided about the H-ring man's mother, but perhaps enough to see how the Ray-clones shared similarity as well.
And of course a series like this had to have a happy ending. Aye, it was a good series. Nothing spectacular, but steadily fine and with a healthy spirit.
yeah, it was a solid series. i liked that it was 13 eps b/c it stopped the show from becoming too repetitive unless as noted, something new was developed. i noticed in this episode how similar koichi and ray look. kinda weird if you ask me. it was nice though to see h-ring man's mom befriending the mind reading boy, that was cute
Heh, yeah. The boy got a Ray of his own age. That was pretty sweet, indeed. If the operation is succesful I'm sure the boy and Shinoyama will become good friends; they both have a Ray, after all, so they would have plenty to talk aboutOriginally Posted by Roxy
it was nice though to see h-ring man's mom befriending the mind reading boy, that was cute
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