Pretty interesting documentary about 9/11 saying WTC did not fall because of the planes that crashed into the towes but of explosions caused from charges inside the towers, and that no plane ever did crash into pentagon. There has floated pretty many of theese around but this one contains more or less all of the facts.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...27897709690102
Damn this video is long! I'll have to watch it later this afternoon. Looks pretty interesting though, from what I did see.
Here's a similar video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ge+2nd+Edition.
I've watched it, but these kind of things don't interest me very much. I don't really know what to think after hearing so many conflicting arguments and views, and don't really care enough to investigate it myself. Still worth watching I suppose.
EDIT: And just to clear things up, I don't mean "I don't care" in that I don't care what happened on 9/11. I mean I'm willing to accept it, and think about the facts presented to me. But I'm not about to get into a heated argument about politics and government conspiracies.
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I havent watched the movie yet, but in most cases conspiracy theories are like religion in the old days. Before it was: "I dont understand why day turns to night, it must be the gods pulling a flaming chariot across the sky". Now its "I am confused as to what really happened, it must be the communists/nazis/aliens/government". People trying to make sense out of what they don't understand...
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I've seen Loose Change. It's a pretty interesting documentary and contains a lot of things that just make you think. The cellphones on the plane is a good example. Makes you wonder...
IMO you guys should care about what happened on that day, conspiracy theory or not. 5000 people died after all.
No, it's more like people are trying to understand why things don't make sense. People that care. The theories are only theories but the hard facts are there. I'm not advocating these theories, I'm just saying people should care to learn about these controversial events. Read two history textbooks from two countries...why are they different?People trying to make sense out of what they don't understand...
My point is that 9/11 happened and the evidence doesn't add up. It doesn't matter who is right, it doesn't matter who they're pointing the finger to. It just doesn't make sense, and since the US government is refusing to answer the questions, people get together themselves and investigate.
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^ And why there are more clues, that possibly indicate that our government was responsible, than there should ever be.Originally Posted by BoC
I remember that day, it was an early release day at school and when it happened we had to go out to the football field, because there had also been a bombthreat to our school shortly after the attacks. While we were out there, we heard a loud explosion. Ironically it was a construction crew just under half a mile away blasting rock for an over pass they were building at the time. It's the closest I've been to something like that and the closest I'd ever want to be. Scared the living shit out of us. Now imagine being in NYC when that happened. I can't fathom how awful it must have been.
Where was that, Tonton? I was in Ohio when it happened and for the whole day the entire school just watched TV.
I'm sure that's partly true, but true must also be that for many of the people pondering and formulating these theories it's an intellectual game, a puzzle. The same type of people can also write the most intriguing detective stories and murder mysteries. However, it's not disrespect for what happened. Human mind just works that way, for some people more so than for others.
Hot Springs, Arkansas. We were watching tv that day too until we were told to go outside due to a bombthreat, which was probably just some stupid kid being a douche.
So far i am about 20ish minutes in to it. It's a good video. I do indeed belive that the USA knew what was going down. I don't know if they planned it but there is a shit pile more eviedence that the USA knew about it and there is about Iraq people.
Last time I checked, Iraq had nothing to do with it. They were after Afghanistan for a while, then just quietly abandoned that subject altogether.
^ That's another suspicious act by US. We just sort of slowly crept our way to iraq, making look like the whole Afghanistan terrorism thing was just a diversion from the real goal of Iraq... This stuff gets me mad... I'll be the first one to say, we had no business heading into Iraq. If we were so pissed at OBL we should have stayed in Afghanistan and searched for his ass. These are things that make me want to call BS... Damn shady government.
The Official 9/11 Investigation Report
I've yet to watch this video, but I have read the report. The US itself admits that there were enough signs ahead of time that were known by the government where something should have been prevented.
The problem is this: All of this information was spread amongst dozens of databases and hundreds (if not more) of officials, buried amidst mountains of other information.
A nation does not function like a human being. A person, if they saw all of those signs (and had the memory and time to remember them all...), would probably figure out what was going on and been able to do something. But an entire nation taking any critical action like 'shoot those planes down' or 'on this day don't let X, Y, Z passengers board 1, 2, 3 planes' isn't easy to come to, it's what we call 'bureaucratic reaction delay'.
After class today I'll sit down and watch this video and tell ya what I think, but also remember this:
Vision in hindsight is always 20/20.
edit: as for the above posts on leaving Afghanistan for Iraq - umm it's called 'redeployment' and when you're changing from attacking a nation like Afghanistan (basically capture Kabul and one or two major cities and maintain light patrols of the mountains for victory) to attacking a nation like Iraq (clearly defended military borders, less rugged terrain, seperated objectives to capture and defend, split factions, organized (and much larger) military) you're obviously going to have to make a bigger deal out of the latter than the former.
also, there was more hype about 'why we're going into Iraq' because the initial rationale was not as crucial to 'the national interest' and suspect (still is) to much criticism. Hence the administration desired to beef up and defend their declared cause for war in Iraq. The fact that that war has also proved more costly, longer and it's initial 'motives' still called into question is why you hear about it more.
(I'm not defending the invasion of Iraq, that's for sure.)
9/11 ---> Al Qaida ---> Afghanistan (clear and easy path to follow)
9/11 ---> Al Qaida ---> Iraq? (not enough info to go to Iraq for that cause)
9/11 ---> Heightened sense of paranoia/fear of external threats ---> Saddam Hussein/organized and sometiems secretive military ----> Iraq
(NOW we're talking about a 'rational' thought process. I put rational in quotes because 'heightened sensitivity to external threats' is subjective, while purely rational and logical processes only include objective reasoning. I personally feel it was an overreaction, and a costly one at that...)
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well i will say that after watching this video i do have new doubts as to what may have exactly happened on that day.
but i still don't buy into the theory that it was deliberately done by the US government. Honestly I don't have enough info to make any kind of judgment call at all.
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I'm not american but saw many of these videos anyway, quite interesting.
Don't know whether US goverment was behind the whole thing or if they're just shamelessly taking advantage of it, but either way they're rotten bastards
Holy f**king shit. Why doesn't anybody at a Bush's speech ask the question about where the plane parts went? This scares the shit out of me, and I would like to do a presentation in school about it but don't know if I should because of fear.
Don't do this for your project.
Blame it on Kyle. It's always the Jews...
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