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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    Speaking of BF%, I just got my test results back... I'm at 12.5%. Not too bad, but the goal now is to get into single digits. This MP program is easily the greatest thing I've ever seen, fitness-wise. And I've seen/read a lot.
    What testing method did you use? DEXA said my bf% is 27%, which is clearly incorrect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    What testing method did you use? DEXA said my bf% is 27%, which is clearly incorrect.
    Calipers at my local gym, only plastic ones though. That's ok, it's an estimation at worst, accurate at best. I just wanted to see how far along I am.
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    Was working out at my friend's gym while i'm out on break, and had this annoying guy trying to give advice on everything. Wouldn't have been so bad, until I decided to finish up my workout with one of the kettlebells the gym had. The guy stops me and shows me how a kettlebell swing is "really done" by hunching his back all the way forward and then trying to throw his arms upwards as high as he can. Then he proceeds to tell me to be careful with the heavier weights because he hurt his back once doing this. No shit, dumbass. Luckily, I've had 2 years of training with a level 2 kettlebell instructor, so I chose not to take his suggestion.
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    I usually don't dish out advice at the gym unless someone asks me for it on their own, not only is it none of my business but the retards will probably ignore it and continue doing their own thing anyway... so fuck them >_>

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    I've tried to give advice when I see someone doing something horribly bad for their body or if they don't seem to be doing an exercise correctly. It usually just ends up making me self-conscious and they seem to ignore the advice anyway.

    One time I asked a guy doing squats if he was going low enough to actually work his leg muscles. He was further into his workout and therefore tired, but he went ahead and tried to go lower... and then almost hurt himself. I felt bad then.

    @Assertn: maybe the problem is that you need to be more assertive and tell the guy, "thanks, but no thanks."


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    Yeah except the thing with kettlebells is there's a lot of people that think they know what they're talking about, when really they have no clue. Kinda makes it awkward.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    6 weeks later and I've gone from 12.5% BF to 6.4%. Happy with that, and further proof that resistance training alone is an effective fat burning tool. I haven't touched cardio in 6 weeks.
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    Wait, what? Holy shit. What did you do?
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    I'm pretty strict with my nutrition, close to 100% 7 days a week. I also tightened up the screws on my pre/post workout supplementation, which admittedly was not up to scratch before.
    I also have a lot more structure in my workouts these days. I was floundering a bit in the past.
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    I'm still hovering around 64kgs atm...

    Really have no idea what to do with my diet. I was running on 4000KJs per day for a while, then learned of something about not going lower than your metabolic need or else it grinds to a halt or something.. And then bumped up the v.low-carb diet to 7500KJs or so..

    It really sucks how slow this progress is going.. if it is progress at all and not just water loss or some shit..

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    Consistency is pretty important, I find. I don't bother with daily calory counts and the like, way too much effort for minimal return. All I'm concerned with is making sure each of my meals is as correctly balanced as possible; I know exactly what each one will give me.

    Are you able to give a basic list of a typical day for you food-wise, Bill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    Consistency is pretty important, I find. I don't bother with daily calory counts and the like, way too much effort for minimal return. All I'm concerned with is making sure each of my meals is as correctly balanced as possible; I know exactly what each one will give me.

    Are you able to give a basic list of a typical day for you food-wise, Bill?
    Daily intake:
    -1KGs of vegetables (carrots, brocoli, cauliflower, peas, minimal corn, potatoes and punpkin)
    -2 tins of sardines
    -1 can salt-reduced spam

    That amounts to 7400KJs or so. Salt content is probably a bit high, but still less than what your average person takes in anyway (typically people eat like 9x higher than the recommended dietary intake of sodium).

    I ate that last wed, thur, fri, sat, and will be eating it today, tomorrow, wednesday and thursday. (I usually cook half a week's worth at once)

    Yesterday I didn't have any vegetables, so ate 4 cans of baked beans and 3 eggs instead. Energy intake is about the same. That's typically one of those "naughty" days. Carbohydrates are largely absent in the diet.

    I've been trying out the Low Carb High Fat diets. They're supposed to reduce insulin spikes and promote fat burning as an energy pathway.

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    Where's the grilled/baked beef, chicken and lamb? Do you have special dietary requirements?
    I'd also find a way to fit a couple of pieces of fruit in per day.

    I know you need to live your life, but it does sound like you need to be more consistent. It's hard to overlook a day where you're eating 4 cans of baked beans and 3 eggs with no veggies. Not trying to have a go at you, but both nutrition and exercise need to be structured well to see any real results.

    Each meal make sure you have some lean protein, a plant-based carb (like veggies or fruit), and some omega-3. If you do that 6 times a day you're off to a great start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven
    Where's the grilled/baked beef, chicken and lamb? Do you have special dietary requirements?
    I'd also find a way to fit a couple of pieces of fruit in per day.
    Nothing special besides trying to keep within the calorie count and stay low on carbs. I just happen to find packaged foods easier to calculate (not saying calculation is the right route or anything...)

    As for the beans/egg day.. I didn't have anything at home. I get what you're saying though.

    As for the meal nutrition thing.. the foods aren't that spread out. I cooked each can of spam and halved them into a take-away container. Then each container fills just right with 500g of veges (since I buy 1KG frozen bags). One of them is my dinner and the other is my breakfast. I grab the two tins of sardines for lunch at uni.

    What happens when a meal is unbalanced? Does your body decide to stop burning fat that day or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    What happens when a meal is unbalanced? Does your body decide to stop burning fat that day or something?
    You fuck with your body and he fucks with your metabolism. If your metabolism isn't burning calories then no matter how little you eat it will turn to fat.

    Methinks you're overthinking this anyway, your diet sounds like something out teen vogue.

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    What you want to do Bill is focus on getting your metabolism firing as much as possible. This can take varied time for people depending on a number of factors. But in simple terms, a firing metabolism means you'll burn fat even while at rest.

    What's the best way to improve it? Eat smaller meals, more often. Maybe just for a while try not to calculate anything, forget about the numbers, just focus on making each small meal balanced, with a good source of protein and a serve of vegetables/fruit. If each of your meals is correct, the rest takes care of itself.
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    I started yoga two days ago and it ain't no joke. More places are sore than have ever been sore from doing anything in my life. My entire stomach up to my ribcage feels sore, even. My shoulder blade muscles, too?! All this from doing relatively simple poses! It's amazing. I can't decide if I want to do it six days a week or every other day for maximum results. I greatly prefer yoga (or dance) to other exercises such as running, because it's much more graceful. I don't like the heavy "CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP" that comes from running or weight lifting, and it's boring. I already get a "longer and leaner" feeling from yoga.

    So I was doing this relatively simple pose about 40 minutes in and my leg that I was lunging on started shaking like a motherfucker, so much that I could barely even keep my balance:



    I did a little research but I hate simplistic explanations of biological processes. Apparently, if shaking happens during exercise it's because an uneven amount of muscles are fatigued and are not receiving the chemicals they need to lengthen and compress, causing the shaking? That sounds bad. Do I just keep exercising until they get "stronger," or do I need to change my (egregious) diet somehow?
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    Deadlifting is pretty much against what they always teach you about proper every-day heavy lifting, IMO anyway. But it's my personal favorite exercise, because my back feels so sensationally strong as a result. Having a strong lower back seems to help so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    I can't decide if I want to do it six days a week or every other day for maximum results.

    So I was doing this relatively simple pose about 40 minutes in and my leg that I was lunging on started shaking like a motherfucker, so much that I could barely even keep my balance:
    Don't forget to allow sufficient days of rest. 6 days a week is too much I'd say.

    The shaking will be from a general lack of strength for such isolation. Practice with some body weight squats here and there preferably on your rest days and you'll build up some basic strength. The shaking will stop in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animeniax View Post
    Aren't deadlifts just an example of poor form when lifting heavy objects? You should never lift with your back while keeping your legs straight. Bend at the knees, young grasshoppa.
    Do you honestly work out or are you just browsing this thread looking for a chance to troll? When it comes to fitness you're probably the most misguided person i've ever encountered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    Don't forget to allow sufficient days of rest. 6 days a week is too much I'd say.

    The shaking will be from a general lack of strength for such isolation. Practice with some body weight squats here and there preferably on your rest days and you'll build up some basic strength. The shaking will stop in time.
    I'd go with this, the sexiest chick at my gym squats and she has the most stupendous ass ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Do you honestly work out or are you just browsing this thread looking for a chance to troll? When it comes to fitness you're probably the most misguided person i've ever encountered.
    A little from column A, a little from column B. I get the point of isolation exercises to work a particular part of the body, but I think and have read that whole body exercises develop overall strength and balance better than isolation exercises.

    I'm going to start working on deadlifts but I've spent time doing back raises so my back is kind of strong. I do find it is the weak point in my squatting since I fear blowing out a disc so I take it easier on squats than I could.

    Also, Sapphy, adequate rest the night after a workout is essential to helping your body recover and build muscle.


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