Shhh, the internet is NOT a place for common sense!Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Not enough data on itachi/Sarutobi's limitations
Shhh, the internet is NOT a place for common sense!Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Not enough data on itachi/Sarutobi's limitations
Based on the fight between Orochimaru/Sarutobi, I would have to say that Itachi would kill him (though Orochimaru allready did that).
time for hypothetical fight #2103141341243019245813284021 itachi vs. dead sarutobi...oh yeah, how are you going to kill whats dead?Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Based on the fight between Orochimaru/Sarutobi, I would have to say that Itachi would kill him (though Orochimaru allready did that).
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Seconded.Originally posted by: splash
Orochimaru himself admitted that he was no match for Itachi
Orochimaru killed Sarutobi,
Ergo, Itachi would have also killed Sarutobi, and with ease, i might add
Yeah this syllogism pretty much sums it up
I also think its pretty clear that a the 3rd would lose this one. And I don't think making the 3rd younger in the fight would make a difference. Sure he would be faster, stronger, etc, but he'd then be lacking the wisdom and experience that made him so good in his old age.
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Orochimaru didn't kill Sarutobi. Sarutobi killled himself when he summoned the death god. Orochimaru barely survived the encounter. Now consider what might happen if Sarutobi were, say, 13 years younger and had just learned the death god jutsu. He wouldn't need his eyes to kill Itachi, just as he didn't need his eyes to kill the first and second Hokage.
Sarutobi would obviously beat Itachi like a foster child.
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I don't know if Sarutob would totally run over Itachi, but those of you who think he could beat Sarutobi with ease need serious help.
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So the Sword that was trusted into him has only a flesh wound eh?Originally posted by: poopdeville
Orochimaru didn't kill Sarutobi. Sarutobi killled himself when he summoned the death god. Orochimaru barely survived the encounter. Now consider what might happen if Sarutobi were, say, 13 years younger and had just learned the death god jutsu. He wouldn't need his eyes to kill Itachi, just as he didn't need his eyes to kill the first and second Hokage.
Sarutobi would obviously beat Itachi like a foster child.
My vote goes to Itachi, for the same reasons that many have already given
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Oro sword attack was what saved his life but by that time Sarutobi's death was inevitable. He had already summoned the death god and sealed away the souls of the 2 hokage (or the souls of the ninja oro was using as puppets ..im not sure) by the time he was mortally wounded..
Not exactly, but by then Sarutobi had used up most of his chakra killing off the two Hokages. If Sarutobi would have had the chakra necessary, he could have killed Orochimaru as quickly as he killed the two Hokages -- in a matter of seconds once his clones had a grasp on their targets.Originally Posted by Deadfire
Orochimaru's sword attack was immaterial. If Sarutobi would have had enough chakra, he could have killed Orochimaru before the Sword of Kusanagi pierced his chest. But since he didn't have the chakra, he could only hope to maim Orochimaru. The sword did nothing to prevent that.
Lets not forget that age is always an important factor. Sarutobi was old and his abilities were getting mustier by the day. Maybe in his prime, sarutobi could easily clobbered Itachi but in the state that he was, i couldnt possibly see that happening. Also sarutobi has a soft spot when it comes to former konoha ninjas and that could have served as his achilles' heel in a fight against Itachi. Also, at this stage, we still have no idea of what Itachi is fully capable of anyways. We do however, roughly have an idea of Sarutobi's abilities and limitations
I agree. My argument was that if Sarutobi were about 13 years younger, he could have easily killed Itachi. I bet he wouldn't even need to use the Death God as a last resort.
Though I disagree with you about the older Sarutobi. I bet it would have come to summoning the death god, at worst, against Itachi even if we consider the older Sarutobi fighting. Sarutobi killed two Hokages and seriously injured Orochimaru for christ's sake.
As another point of reference, Orochimaru and Jiraiya are about equal in strength, and Itachi is afraid of Jiraiya. If Orochimaru couldn't do it, I don't think Itachi, who is scared of Jiraiya, could either. Especially since Itachi doesn't know Edo Tensei, which is what Orochimaru essentially depended on.
I only watch the anime but i was tempted to see the spoiler side of the naruto forums. In this case I would say Sarutobi because in his fight with Oro he was able to fight in complete darkness so he would be able to fight Itachi with his eyes closed or in complete darkness... And it seems with him knowing every jutsu in Konoha he would be able to pull alot of tricks out of his sleeve.
Now im going to head back to the Naruto anime section (with no spoilers)
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Orochimaru clearly said Itachi is stronger than him.
Itachi's speed is yet unmatched*as far as we know*, his Sharingan is the most advanced, I think, and, not only that, his abilty in Tai,Gen, and Nin Jutusu are all WAY above elite.
Sandaime was the strongest of the Four Hokage's. He knew every jutsu in Konoha, and probably others, and his chakra, even is his old age, was almost equal to that of Orochimaru, who can summon the snake-like equivelent of Gamabunta, and not even feel it.
Sandaime also has Yandaime's Death God Seal, which is most likely the strongest sealing jutsu. His speed is great, also.
But, he does not have an Advanced Blood-line Abilty like Uchiha Itachi.
I think, in all honesty, Itachi would win, with little trouble.
I think Sarutobi would win, actually.
If you think about it, he was totally outmatched during the Orochimaru fight. There were four of Oro's henchmen that essentially blocked any means of escape, plus the two Hokages that he was forced to fight as well. You guys aren't realizing that, while Sarutobi did die, he was totally outnumbed.
A one-on-one between him and Itachi wouldn't be a huge problem, provided nobody else jumped in to save Ita's ass.
ALSO: Zidarri, this whole series brings up the idea of bloodline abilities and those who train hard. What happened during the fight between Neji and Naruto? Yeah, Naruto won.
The match could go either way, really. But going into it Sarutobi would have an advantage, provided he wasn't worried about two other hokages on his ass while fighting.
Doubtful. The Fourth could pretty much teleport from place to place instantly. His nickname was "The Yellow Flash of Konoha". Though there are conflicting opinions about this in the anime, the Third in his prime was supposedly stronger than the Fourth.
This isn't directed at you, Zidarri, but I've noticed that a lot of people are claiming that the Third knew all the jutsu in Konoha. That's doubtful too. Jiraiya said that only he and the Fourth knew how to do the Rasengan while he taught it to Naruto.
I wish the Third hadn't died. Hokage level fights are awesome.
Yandaime - Known as the 'Professor' for knowing every Jutsu in Konoha.
# 1. Sandaime, the Fourth, is dead. SO his speed does not matter, atm.
# 2. Rasengan is not a Jutsu of Konoha.
# 3. Orochimaru did not go all out against Yandaime.
He did not summon his snake. he did not use other abilities he's shown. He was toying with Yandaime.
Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, as Orochimaru said it. Itachi is most likely as strong Sarutobi, if not stronger.
Another thing, Itachi has Tsukuyomi and Mangekyou, and Amaterasu. Three things Yandame could not evade, because he does not have the Sharingan.
Are you getting Sandaime and Yondaime mixed up? Yondaime is the 4th hokage, and nothing was ever said about Oro fighting Yondaime.
Sorry, I was tired when I posted.
Sandaime - Known as the 'Professor' for knowing every Jutsu in Konoha.
# 1. Yandaime, the Fourth, is dead. SO his speed does not matter, atm.
# 2. Rasengan is not a Jutsu of Konoha.
# 3. Orochimaru did not go all out against Sandaime.
He did not summon his snake. he did not use other abilities he's shown. He was toying with Sandaime.
Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, as Orochimaru said it. Itachi is most likely as strong Sarutobi, if not stronger.
Another thing, Itachi has Tsukuyomi and Mangekyou, and Amaterasu. Three things Sandaime. could not evade, because he does not have the Sharingan.*fixed*
How is the Rasengan not a Konoha jutsu? It was invented by the Fourth Hokage.
Orochimaru isn't so retarded as to not use high level jutsu when in danger. Sarutobi had already killed two Hokage and was about to kill Orochimaru. All Orochimaru could do was ineffectually stab Sarutobi with the Sword of Kusanagi. Orochimaru was lucky to leave just his arms in Konoha.
Orochimaru definitely went all out against Sarutobi. He freaking used Edo Tensei to try to resurrect three Hokage against Sarutobi.
Did anyone see Sarutobi scared shitless when Oro almost summoned the fourth?
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