Itachi's just a spoiled fuck Sarutobi became the Hokage when he was just a little kid so if Itachi's so great why didn't he become Hokage?
Itachi's just a spoiled fuck Sarutobi became the Hokage when he was just a little kid so if Itachi's so great why didn't he become Hokage?
Ok, when did it ever say that Sarutobi became the Hokage when he was little? I don't think he actually did...
Because he murdered countless people, fled his villiage, became a missing nin, and joined a criminal organization. I'm pretty sure those are not exactly qualities befitting a good Kage...so if Itachi's so great why didn't he become Hokage?
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
In that one scene, The First and Second tooka very young Sarutobi out to the cliff, saying something to the effect that his reign would begin tomorrow.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
Yes a flashback in his fight with Orochimaru.. I wonder how strong you would possibly have to be, to be deemed Hokage at such a young age. But then again, his is dubbed, "The Professor" of all the Hokages.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Gai was basically immune to the genjutsu effects of the mangekyou sharingan because he learned from fighting against Kakashi, even though he didnt even know anything about the mangekyou sharingan.
All Sarutobi would have to do to be immune to the effects is to know enough about his own villages clan to know that the sharingan requires eye contact to be used as a genjutsu aid. Surely someone as intelligent as him could put two and two together and fight him without looking into his eyes instead of trying to fight him with his eyes closed.
Although Itachi could still use the black fire technique that supposedly needs the mangekyou, and he could still use normal sharingan to read Sarutobis moves. But lets not forget that itachi cannot use the mangekyou for a long period of time.
Sarutobi's title of the professor signifies his mastery of many complicated jutsu, he even impressed orochimaru when he combined fire and earth (and maybe water? does mudslide count as water too?) jutsu to make a powerful combo attack of a flaming stone barrage and a mudslide.
Also, Sarutobi has King Yama (the monkey king), which is a very powerful boss summon.
Wether or not it matters in a battle with such high level jutsu flying around, Itachi is still a master at using shurkien, with basically perfect accuracy and the bounce move Sasuke learned from him to hit people behind cover.
Itachi....hands down.....
although sarutobi could summon Enma to help him out....as u no he is very powerful
Itachi can u the mangekyou so that is a huge atvantage to him...
i guess Sarutobi knows more jutsus than Itachi, but Itachi can use the jutsus that come bundled with the Mangekyou pakage [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]..but still it would be an awsome fight to watch
(it will never happen since the Third is dead tho [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img])
Ok, about Gai being able to avoid the Sharingan. Kakashi is Gai's rival. Gai probably spent A WHOLE TON OF TIME practicing being able to fight extremely well with his eye's closed. plus his area is taijustsu so he has an advantage. But I don't think Sarutobi spent much of his time practicing to fight with his eyes closed. And who knows if there is a Konoha technique that can defeat the all mighty MS.
And about the question if Itachi could even beat a Sannin:
Tsunade had trouble with Kabuto, so I don't think we're going to even consider her.
We've been over this millions of times that Orichimaru admitted that Itachi is stronger.
The situation is flaky on if Jiraiya>Itachi or Itachi<Jiraiya. Thats all for now, I'm tired of typing/
huh? jiraiya is winning both times, do you mean Itachi>Jiraiya.Originally posted by: God#2
The situation is flaky on if Jiraiya>Itachi or Itachi<Jiraiya. Thats all for now, I'm tired of typing/
Im sure Sarutobi knowns the secrets of each clan in his village. He has to have something to fight a sharingan.
The sharingan isn't the only reason Itachi is an uber ninja. if I remember correctly, his hand seal movements were so fast while he fought Kakashi (Battle 1) that even kakashi couldn't catch them.I don't think his sharingan is the only thing that makes him a great ninja.
i think that itachi would probably win
sarutobi<orochimaru<itachi?Jiraiya
Originally posted by: God#2
The sharingan isn't the only reason Itachi is an uber ninja. if I remember correctly, his hand seal movements were so fast while he fought Kakashi (Battle 1) that even kakashi couldn't catch them.I don't think his sharingan is the only thing that makes him a great ninja.
kakashi caught them, kakashi barely countered though, it was kurenai who was like "hand seals so fast, i couldnt even see them" and itachi made that move even better by make a movement with the shuriken in his hands, dragging your attention to that area making you think he'll throw them but instead he attacked with a jutsu that took zabuzza and kakashi like 5 min in the wave country arc.
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
Originally posted by: God#2
Ok, about Gai being able to avoid the Sharingan. Kakashi is Gai's rival. Gai probably spent A WHOLE TON OF TIME practicing being able to fight extremely well with his eye's closed. plus his area is taijustsu so he has an advantage. But I don't think Sarutobi spent much of his time practicing to fight with his eyes closed. And who knows if there is a Konoha technique that can defeat the all mighty MS.
And about the question if Itachi could even beat a Sannin:
Tsunade had trouble with Kabuto, so I don't think we're going to even consider her.
We've been over this millions of times that Orichimaru admitted that Itachi is stronger.
The situation is flaky on if Jiraiya>Itachi or Itachi<Jiraiya. Thats all for now, I'm tired of typing/
Did you even watch the episode where Gai is going to fight Itachi? He doesnt fight with his eyes closed, he simply avoids looking at Itachis eyes, and Asuma and Kurenai do the same after he tells them to open their eyes.
In the Itachi > oro, oro > sarutobi, thus itachi > sarutobi, argument.
-Oro had the first AND second hokages fighting alongside him when he fought Sarutobi, Sarutobi even did succeed in beating the first and second during the fight, but because they were undead they regenerated their lost limbs.
-Oro admitted that if Sarutobi was still in his prime, and not so old, he would have won.
-Since Sarutobi is already dead, one would assume you consider his strength to be that of the time in his life in which he was at his strongest.
I am confused by those stating to make Sarutobi younger. Is that to make this match, a young Sarutobi against the current Itachi? Or simply go back in time to when they were both younger to correspond with the desired age of Sarutobi? In either above situation, Sarutobi would win. His youth, or lack thereof, was the only reason Orochimaru won. His chakra capacity has depreciated in his age, thus limiting what could be done or used from his vast arsenal of skills.
While I think a youthful Sarutobi would win against a current time Itachi, it would not be easy. Itachi's speed in initiating jutsu is amazingly fast, as another Sharingan user (Kakashi) was barely able to keep up. This ability, plus the presumed idea that Itachi's arsenal is just as large as Kakashi's (Kakashi simply makes a name for himself ..), would result in an interesting battle.
Sarutobi would get around Mangekyou Sharingan. I am totally confident in that. Sarutobi was enveloped in complete darkness and was able to pin point both Hokage through it, and block a number of incoming attacks before locating them. In essence, this is the same as having his eyes closed, preventing the annihilating effects of the Mangekyou from harming him. However, it's been shown that Itachi can perform Genjutsu without seals. While Sarutobi is clearly at a level to break these kinds of assaults, I think doing such would expel some necessary chakra, and create openings for Itachi.
In conclusion:
Sarutobi as we last saw him would be unable to best Itachi. His youth and speed take precedence here, and overcome the Professor.
Sarutobi twenty years prior would work hard for it, but in the end beat any timeline Itachi thrown at him, and once more prove he is deserving of all titles given to him.
EDIT: Holy double-post, Batman!
sarutobi, definitly:
1. orochimaru said to kabuto he did not have enough men to even think about attacking the 3rd, then after some thought he probably thought of edo tensei, sacrificed kin and zaku, and gained the power to face the 3rd ( 1st and 2nd aid, remember they are KAGE lvl )
2. orochimaru said that the 3rd was called as god amongst ninjas and the professor
3. sarutobi became hokage when he as damn young, he is 10x the genius itachi was, maybe 100x
4. when he was in the 2nd's genjutsu he didnt rely on sight, but on smell to locate him, who says he cant just do the same to itachi, or maybe something even more badass
5. itachi ran from jiraiya, even saying that they would either die, or he would die and take them with him, orochimaru knocked out jiraiya pretty hard in the sannin battle
6. orochimaru said that itachi is stronger than him, or something like that, but i think that's more because he is afraid of the sharingan copying his jutsus, i mean, how can orochimaru be able to fight jiraiya but, itachi cant
i can go on and on like this, but i think its pretty obvious that sarutobi would beat him, and if he was younger, he would slap itachi around
Here are my arguments against darkshadow:
5. Itachi ran away because he used up most up most of his energy and Kakashi and Sasuke (God knows why). They said that PROBABLY the shark guy would die. And in the battle of the Sannin, Jiraiya was poisened and Orochimaru couldn't use his arms, so its unfair to make an opinion based on that battle. And the fight seemed pretty even to me (thought my memory of that battle isnt too great. I have the episodes, I'll check all of these statements we're making later).
6. I dont think Orochimaru is the type to be afraid of something he shouldnt be. He's a genius himself. Again, the sharingan isnt the only thing that makes Itachi an amazing ninja.
In conclusion, since Orochimaru said he cant beat Itachi (and no, he doesnt have an inferiority complex. He not the type to chicken out on a big uncertainty) Oro<Itachi. Im not really sure about Itachi vs. Jiraiya because a fight never really even developed.
So so far: Oro<Itachi???Jiraiya????
And about young Sarutobi vs. Itachi
They never said how young Sarutobi was when he became hokage. For all we know young could be 20. Itachi's around that age and he could own the current Hokage (Tsunade) without a doubt. I think that there really is no way to decide right now who would clearly be the winner. We dont know how well Sarutobi would be able to fare off against Itachi. He probably has a great chance in his prime days, but even that is uncertain. Perhaps there is more to Itachi that we dont know (Im talking about his skill). For one, the Tsukyomi (or atleast I think thats how you spell it). Who knows what it really does??? BUM BUM BUM! Remember, Kakashi's sharingan was able to blow up that akatsuki member's arm (cant remember his dam name). The sharinagan may have physical abilities. Not to mention that Itachi can see where Sarutobi is going to make his moves. Unless Sarutobi can go at a speed that Itachi cant keep up with (which I doubt. But remember, you never know), then Itachi pretty much has this covered.
the itachi < oro < sarutobi logic doesn't apply.....
The only reason sarutobi died was because he already offered his life to the death god.
The only reason he offered his life to the death god was because he saw no other solution to stopping the 1st and 2nd hokage zombies.
Itachi doesn't have any of the insane immortality crap going for him, therefore the circumstances are completely different.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
@ Assertn: So, then who wins?
Not enough data on itachi/Sarutobi's limitations
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
While that is true, I'm not buying it.
Who do you think would win?
If an old woman was on her deathbed, and for the sake of hearing your opinion to blissfully pass on, asked you who would win .. well, who would win?
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