Religious cartoon causes outrage in the muslim world

**DB_Hunter** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by: Xollence
Shaykh Khalid had millions of Muslim followers and was a Muslim saint. You can find them both on Google.

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Oh and if you didn't notice that's not they're full names. Maybe that's why they sound generic.

Google returns Shaykh Khalid Yasin as the first hits. Is this the one? If so the guy is still alive.

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
Ahh, that does answer my question. Thanks, guys. I'll have to look that up sometime.
Edit: By look up, I mean both Shaykh Khalid mentioned and the Khalifa mentioned above. Not that I like religion, but expanding my knowledge of it and other things can never hurt. Besides, I'm bored at work.

Khalifa is the guy in charge... if you want more info do a search on the term Khilafah or Caliphate. This won't be theological stuff so you don't have to worry about that.

**Ero-Fan** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by: DB_Hunter

Originally posted by: Xollence
Shaykh Khalid had millions of Muslim followers and was a Muslim saint. You can find them both on Google.

----

Oh and if you didn't notice that's not they're full names. Maybe that's why they sound generic.

Google returns Shaykh Khalid Yasin as the first hits. Is this the one? If so the guy is still alive.

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
Ahh, that does answer my question. Thanks, guys. I'll have to look that up sometime.
Edit: By look up, I mean both Shaykh Khalid mentioned and the Khalifa mentioned above. Not that I like religion, but expanding my knowledge of it and other things can never hurt. Besides, I'm bored at work.

Khalifa is the guy in charge... if you want more info do a search on the term Khilafah or Caliphate. This won't be theological stuff so you don't have to worry about that.

I don't mind reading theological stuff. But anyways, I found an interesting summary on Khalifa selection, removal, etc. on the man to be the Khalifa. USC Khalifa stuff Not sure how accurate it is, and I'm still reading it.
Edit: Quite frankly, I'm re-reading it now. There are some terms (Arabic?) that I don't recognize.
Edit2: Also, it looks like it has a breakdown of information on the Qur'an.

**DB_Hunter** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 01:42 PM

Seems pretty good. Search for maps of the Caliphate through history. There were four main Caliphates (one after the other): Khilafah Rashida, Ummayad Khilafah, Abbasid Khilafah and the Uthmani (Ottoman) Khilafah.

Edit: If you want I can try to help you with the arabic terms. PM me if you want me to help out.

**Ero-Fan** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
Seems pretty good. Search for maps of the Caliphate through history. There were four main Caliphates (one after the other): Khilafah Rashida, Ummayad Khilafah, Abbasid Khilafah and the Uthmani (Ottoman) Khilafah.

Edit: If you want I can try to help you with the arabic terms. PM me if you want me to help out.

I think I'm getting the gist of most of it. If I have any trouble, I may take you up on that offer. Thanks.

**Xollence** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 02:11 PM

Khalid is dead, Nazim is still alive. I forget Khalid's full name, but no it wasn't Yasin. I'll find out for you tomorrow.

Iran's planning on doing its own cartoons on the Jewish holocaust. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._mi_ea/iran_cartoons_2

**Ero-Fan** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by: Xollence
Khalid is dead, Nazim is still alive. I forget Khalid's full name, but no it wasn't Yasin. I'll find out for you tomorrow.

Iran's planning on doing its own cartoons on the Jewish holocaust. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._mi_ea/iran_cartoons_2

Yeah, I had cnn's article on it earlier in one of my previous posts. Kinda started the ball rolling on the misunderstandings between me and KitKat, then me and Kraco. Was fun times...

**Splash!** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 03:12 PM

you have to understand that most of these caliphs are not even common to all muslims apart from the first set, the khalifa rashidiya. Its just like with Christianity, there are a lot of different schisms and sects of Islam. And these seperations usually came into place as a result of any agreement on the legitimacy of certain caliphs. They only universally excepted caliphs to all Muslims would be the first four, which are all part of khalifa rashidiya, and were close companions of the Prophet Muhammad

**Ero-Fan** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by: splash
you have to understand that most of these caliphs are not even common to all muslims apart from the first set, the khalifa rashidiya. Its just like with Christianity, there are a lot of different schisms and sects of Islam. And these seperations usually came into place as a result of any agreement on the legitimacy of certain caliphs. They only universally excepted caliphs to all Muslims would be the first four, which are all part of khalifa rashidiya, and were close companions of the Prophet Muhammad

Yeah, I kinda got that from my readings so far. I also know that most of the sects don't preach violence, just a minority of them do, but every religion has that kind of sect to it somewhere in its present or past forms. I mostly stopped reading about the Khalifa and started reading the translations of the Qur'an. Like all holy books, it takes me forever, but eventually, I'll get it done. Or find an abridged version. Hopefully it has something fun to read like Revelations in the Bible. Nothing like the end of the world to make me feel all better and happy.
Edit: Time to share more good news:
4 more dead from protests over cartoons
Sigh. It just keeps getting worse. Always count on the news to make a bad day worse.

**aznimperialx** · Tue, 02-07-2006, 05:03 PM

just read something on it in the newspaper. Its fucking getting out of hand. fucking denmark...

anyways someone Pm me the cartoon. I wanna see how offence it is

ES · Wed, 02-08-2006, 10:05 AM

Same here. I would like to see how "offensive" it is. One thing I do frown upon on is their intolerance. If they were to relase something like that and is basically offensive to anyone of different belief and then tried to censor them, they would cry foul and scream censorship as well as taking their freedom of speech. Though if it were them who are offended, they would bear hostility towards the one who created it even to the point of causing harm to the creator as well as others who support or simply anyone who agrees to the person.

I just find it ironic yet sad.

**Ero-Fan** · Wed, 02-08-2006, 11:49 AM

And..........
Because we can't go a day without more news on this, the French have decided to add fuel to the fire : Wednesday News
Seems the French have decided to piss off the Muslims more than the rest of us.
Just a little teaser of the news article:

The front page of the magazine carried a new cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed burying his face in his hands and saying: "It's hard to be loved by fools."

Well, they also have caricatures of Jewish and Catholic stuff, so I guess they're just being fair.
Ahh, and 2 more protesters have died today.
Edit: Anyone find a total death count? I want to know how many people have died over a cartoon. :hangs his head and shakes it in disgust:

**Turkish-S** · Wed, 02-08-2006, 04:26 PM

damn this is really getting out of hand........ stupid french. just when the "burning cars" thing ended they want to start another war ageanst there own people.................

damn i hope that a war will start and that 99% of the human population dies and that the remaining 1% will live in peace....

**Carnage** · Wed, 02-08-2006, 04:40 PM

And hopefully that 1% is the smart group out of the crop. We don't want to leave the fate of the human race to a bunch of idiots?

**darkmetal505** · Wed, 02-08-2006, 09:48 PM

they are just looking for a reason to hate the western world, but I see there viewpoint. However, shit happens, deal with it.

**BioAlien** · Wed, 02-08-2006, 10:36 PM

can someone tell me where i can find those "outrageous carton", or pm them to me plz, i want to see what carton they are talking about, because for like 3 day they only talk about thats carton, and they never even show it 1 time

**Ero-Fan** · Thu, 02-09-2006, 07:52 AM

Not sure where to find the cartoon, but assuming the french actually have a website for that paper, maybe you could find it there? If you do, link the site, but make sure you put a warning on the link, since its somewhat of a sensitive subject.
Edit: Wahoo! Finally, some decent news about a peaceful protest. About damn time. The semi-right way to protest
Edit 2: Of course, there were still shouts of "Death to America, Death to Israel". Sigh, even a non-violent protest seems to ask for violence later.

**BioAlien** · Thu, 02-09-2006, 07:03 PM

hey i found the picture! on a french website ^.^
but can i realy post them here? i don't want to get banned so...
but here anyway, the website where i found them (just scroll down a little)

WARNING: Content may be offensive

i hope that guy get killed [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

**BioAlien** · Fri, 02-10-2006, 06:00 AM

oops sry double post... i quoted insted of edit... sry

**Darknodin** · Fri, 02-10-2006, 03:00 PM

isn't this a crime (insighting hate)? (i guess not)

**BioAlien** · Sun, 02-12-2006, 03:14 AM

yesterday (saturday) there was a manif of muslim people here (where i live) and they were calm. (they were like 1000).. they didn't break anything, if only those moron on the other side of the sea could take exemple on them... they even want a special law so that we can't make fun of religion symbol
here the website of the news channel where i live :
http://lcn.canoe.com/lcn/infos...2/20060211-165149.html
its in french so.. learn french or translate it if you want to read it
cheap translation:
http://translate.google.com/tr...prev=%2Flanguage_tools

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