TV: LOST

[Assertn]

So the guys in the temple are apparently responsible for the whispers followed by crazy creepy walking/teleporting. Glad to see that didn't die out after the 2nd season. This must mean that there are two groups of "others," those that live in the temple and those that follow Richard. They must have some sort of connection to each other, as the ones following Richard went around with lists capturing people, while the captees then find themselves in the temple, and of course they all serve Jacob.

I'm also glad to see the return of "the sickness." This was something that kind of trailed off after Rousseaux's ominous warnings. Apparently those who become sick seem to retain their own consciousness... just become evil. Hence why Rousseaux's husband was able to talk her into lowering her weapon before trying to fire his disabled one. I'm sure there are other characters that, for the longest time, we thought were good guys but were in actuality sick.

What was up with the guy that was pissed off at Kate, btw? She hit him 3 years ago? Must have been while she was captured along with Sawyer and Jack.

[poopdeville]

Oh shit Claire has known about unLocke for three years.

They brought this up specifically: why was Christian's body missing? Smokey doesn't seem to need the bodies as a "medium" -- just the memory. So did Jack really see his dad (or a Jacob-style ghost)? If so, was this the same Christian that guided Locke and Claire? Or are there two of them around (one of which I assume is Smokey)?

[Assassin]

ok, i got it....Its gonna be like BSG in a way. Jacob is God, and the other guy is the devil....or atleast some representation of the concepts of good and evil. And the island is sort of a purgatory. Or more precisely the front yard of purgatory. Jacob is the gatekeeper, and everyone who comes to the island (or is called to the island by jacob) are in a sort of semi-limbo. Its all a big game to see who is pure of heart...enough to keep the evil contained on the island and not let it infect the rest of the world.

Either that, or hurley took a shit load of shrooms which he bought from his winnings and this is all his hallucination, which is why he's speaking to dead people and is jacobs personal phone line.

[UChessmaster]

Did anyone noticed they made a huge ass plot-hole by having ben alive in the alternate timeline? he should`ve died when the island exploded.

[Assassin]

the island didn't explode, they just created an alternate timeline by blowing the nuke and canceling out the electromagnetic energy. In that timeline, ben and his father never go to the island with the dharma folks.

[poopdeville]

There sort of is a "plot hole", and its resolution will be the solution to the show.

Ben and his dad did go to the Island, even in the alternate time line. The differences between the "real" and alternate timelines start in the 1950's, but as far as Ben is concerned, they start in the 1970's: Sawyer, Juliet, Sayid never showed up in the 1970's to cause the drama that lead to Ben getting shot and becoming an Other. So Ben and his dad left the Island peacefully.

But then, the "plot hole" looms: if the 815 guys didn't travel back in time to cause these events, events "should" have unfolded like the story presented them in the first place: The Swan Station should have had its accident, which lead to the Dharma people installing the button, which Desmond didn't press one day, which caused Oceanic 815 to crash on the Island. So the "alternate" timeline "ought" to be the "real" timeline. Reconciling this is going to be the subject of the rest of the series.

My guess is that the "alternate" time line is the time line in which the man in black makes it off the Island. Notice that everybody got what they wanted: Nadia is still alive, Dogan's kid is still alive, Faraday got to study music, Desmond got Whidmore's respect, etc. Desmond is "special" because he can travel through time and space and even across dimensions. And now he's working to undo the alternate timeline, and is ultimately going to cause the events that lead to 815 crashing on the Island in the "real" time line. There's a figure eight in time and space going on.

[UChessmaster]

The whole island exploded, you can see it underwater on episode 1 of season 6 i beleive, it exploded after the H bomb, by that time, ben and his dad were on the island (ben wasn`t even found), he shoul`ve died, the Hbomb changed everything after 1977, not before.

As for the "they should be dead" plot-hole, my best bet is simply that you can`t die in the past, instead you get taken back to your time.

[poopdeville]

The H-Bomb changed everything, everywhere, not just from the 1970s on. For example: Richard Alpert didn't meet John Locke, Sawyer, Faraday, etc. Sawyer didn't become LeFleur. Ben didn't get shot by Sayid. Why? Because they didn't go back in time in the alternate reality. The Island is underwater in the alternate reality, not "ours". The HBomb is the CAUSE of the alternate reality, as Daniel Faraday explained in the alternate reality.

The 815 people didn't go back in time to the 1950s, because they set off the bomb when they were in the 1970s.

[UChessmaster]

The H-Bomb changed everything, everywhere, not just from the 1970s on. For example: Richard Alpert didn't meet John Locke, Sawyer, Faraday, etc. Sawyer didn't become LeFleur. Ben didn't get shot by Sayid. Why? Because they didn't go back in time in the alternate reality. The Island is underwater in the alternate reality, not "ours". The HBomb is the CAUSE of the alternate reality, as Daniel Faraday explained in the alternate reality.

The 815 people didn't go back in time to the 1950s, because they set off the bomb when they were in the 1970s.

I don`t think youre getting me... i accept everything changed past 1977, but things changing before it is imposible, therefore james and co. did went to the past, because again, everything before H-day had to happen just the same.

If you say Sayid didn`t shot Ben i can say the H-bomb got activated by no one and thus the alternate timeline just doesn`t exist at all, alas it`s there, so yes, ben did got shot, and julia did detonated the bomb and george did got to work on the island (confirmed by him).

[Raven]

Very interesting origin story for Jacob and MiB but it raises so many more questions that probably won't be answered.

On one hand I'm looking forward to the end (only 3 episodes to go! ) because I can't wait to see how it all turns out. Desmond should have a large role and we might actually get some closure for random story-lines here and there.

On the other hand I'm terrified the finale will be disappointing. We know for a fact that there will be a lot never explained but I'm hoping they'll give us something at least.

[rockmanj]

Did anyone catch the finale?

[UChessmaster]

Aw hell yeah, overall it was pretty good, some mysteries got unresolved, but i didn`t thought they were worth exploring anyway.

[rockmanj]

I really liked it, and yes, a few tears were shed, but that is nothing new.

[Sapphire]

Worst. Finale. Ever.

[Inazuma]

" Wait wat ? "

I'm completly ... Lost.

[Assassin]

i liked it....i though it was a nice way to end the series. they wrapped everything up pretty well, and i particularly like how managed to resolve the "alternate timeline" situation.

It was also interesting because a lot of the theories in the early days were that they were dead and the island was a sort of limbo, so it was kool to see the truth was the other way around.

Im still wonder what/who the smoke monster was, and what the light was all about, and how jacob and his mother had powers.....but overall i think they ended it well.

[Sapphire]

The light = god, the force, the truth, the deus ex machina etc.

Put out the light and you destroy the earth, or make it descend into hell or some shit. Jacob thinks that his job was protect the island, and thus, the earth. I think the mom said the light is "heaven, rebirth, the beginning and the end" or some crap which pretty means that anything that was unexplained means the light did it.

This also explains why it was all bright and shit when the "souls" all met up in the purgatory. They had to realize their deaths and meet up to move on together because the island was of course the most important thing to ever happen to them or ever -will happen to them-.

(Which inadvertently means their lives were meaningless after that event, including the babies?! And Hugo/Ben, who could have lived for thousands of years after the event (so you can bet they were bored). Also annoyed Jack didn't bother doing an incantation, just made Hugo drink dirty water. I would have laughed so hard if the immortality didn't take. But of course cool rules in Lost will get broken for plot conveniences. :|

Also no one will apparently EVER find love better than from the island apparently, so you can bet Kate and Sawyer etc. didn't live out satisfying lives/find love again). Michael wasn't there because he was still roaming the island, heavy with guilt, Walt wasn't there because he's like 8 feet tall now and it would look weird.

This also explains why the Gyno said "it worked" at the end, moments before her death. She was seeing the world of the purgatory.

Yeah the finale is sentimental, but that doesn't mean I have to like it's implications.

Since the light = god.

So of course the "black" man represents the devil, and Ben is Judas. Jack was Jesus and had to be sacrificed (lol) and Hugo was the new Jacob and Ben his new Richard. All evil people who went into the light used the force for evil, evil!

Desmond turns the light off, which is electromagnetic in property, and basically makes everyones superpowers go byebye. This means the immortal people can now die, cue Black Man and Jack's epic battle to the finish.

Jack gets stabbed in the kidneys, but somehow makes it all the way to the special place to use his surgery skillz to preform the Heimlich on the Island. Jacob isn't there to keep people from leaving anymore so Kate and friends could escape on the plane.

But lol @ the purgatory, pretty much spitting in the faces of the people who thought the initial Lost island was a purgatory. I hated this whole season, mostly because there's nothing to really figure out like past seasons, where you had to use your brain cells and everything was interesting and twisted (in a good way). This season claimed to be "all answers" but it was really just one big deus ex machina! Might as well have been a dream. The character development is good but not enough to stand alone.

"What I learned from Lost? Don't go chasin' waterfalls, and all dogs don't necessarily go to heaven". - Jimmy Kimmel.

[Assertn]

They still never directly correlated the alternate timeline to the atomic detonation. Hell, after the 1st ep of this season, they never even mentioned the bomb again. Is it now that this plot device they used to bring time back to the present responsible for "creating a world for everyone?" Sure the aim was to stop the existence of the swan bunker to stop Desmond from crashing the plane, but how did all this come about from that? Just as mentioned already, there are things that happened prior to the detonation that seems negated as well, such as Ben being on the island. Well whatever, I guess that's cool that the ultimate end of the series from this point has been set in stone since Juliet punching a nuke with a rock. Maybe the original timeline actually meant something if the alternate could only reach its conclusion when Jack defeated the man in black. Who knows?

Ben is one shady-ass bitch. How many times in these last 3 seasons has he had revelations to become a legitimately good guy? First when Lock becomes the leader, then when he decides he must move the island, then when Locke comes back to life, then when Alex confronts him, then when he realizes he was tricked into killing Jacob, then when he asks Illana for forgiveness, and now what? He saves Hurley from the tree and becomes number 2? The only reason he didn't remain a bad guy in the finale is because Locke admitted that he was going to destroy the island. Ben's character in the original timeline was pretty terrible as far as storytelling convention goes. The only good part about it was that Hurley half-assedly gave him the one thing he always wanted: respect from the leader of the island he cared for so much.

Edit: Ok so after milling it over a bit, I guess the alternate timeline (aka flash-sideways) is actually the purgatory that everyone presumed the island would be, and that its not part of any timeline, just some alternate time/space realm where all the characters could be reunited. Not bad, although the obnoxious thing about it is that its a rather blanketed ending that could really be applied to any story in which people have bonded through the voids in their own lives.

Oh, and here's a nice WTF:
Remember in the second season with the swan bunker, there was a "supply drop" of a 6-month supply of food rations? Where the hell did that come from??

[Sapphire]

I totally forgot about that!

Now I am even more annoyed.

[Assertn]

Actually, I just thought of one possible explanation for the food rations.

It could be that the others still maintained the regular supply drop, since they did seem to have access to getting on and off the island easy enough. They knew Desmond was there, and knew that he had to operate the computer to keep regulating the output of electromagnetic buildup, so perhaps they kept up the Dharma charade in its place for the sake of that bunker.