I Think Ben may be able to physically transport himself, with a degree of error. Although he seemed disoriented, he still made preparations (I.E. the coat and billy club).
But another thing...Why can't Ben kill Widmore, and also, what did Widmore mean when he told Ben he knows "what he is". There is something really strange about those two...Something tells me Charles Widmore is no ordinary human.
It IS interesting that Ben asked the receptionist what day/year it was...
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
They can't kill each other...maybe due to the "rules" Ben was talking about. I wonder what these rules are and where they come from.
I hope Penny doesn't die!!
I tried my best...
you think maybe ben is somhow part of the island...he does have a connection with jacob in the same way that locke does, and is usually spouting something or other about how the island is special, and has unique qualities.
I think Widmore may also have some strong connection to the island. And I also think that maybe Ben can't kill him for the same reason Michael couldn't die or somethinh.
If Widmore has a strong connection to the island, does that mean the island is purposely hiding itself from Widmore? Since apparently he can't find the island.
I tried my best...
Maybe he did something to "piss the island off" or something, so that he cannot return.
You know....I never really thought it was a big deal that Ben could control the monster.
Didn't Rousseau say back in the first season that it's a guardian, or security system or something? Obviously, there's a mechanical side to it, based on the sounds it makes. I think Dharma created it.
This could also explain why it was trying to capture Locke back in the first season as well.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Hmm...has anyone on the forums seen the theory that the smoke monster is like a representation of real world objects, just like kind of inverted? Ill try to find the link to that and post it.
Being able to manipulate time based on exit bearing seems to be right. But Ben just sort of woke up going WUT~! So I have no idea..
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Nice episode last night:
Jack getting sick on the Island is quite curious, and the old chick has a point on it's significance of their leader getting sick. Once again they made a point of who's supposed to raise Aaron. By the way, when was this first mentioned and by whom to who? We see what brought Jack's breakdown, or at least what started it, on the finale of season 3. Kate and Juliett looked very nice in this episode.
So, Sawyer looks like he survives till the end...since he chose to stay... unless he sacrificed himself. I was hoping to see Jack and his Dad have a good convo, but it never came to it. Sawyer and Claire getting together, anyone?
Oh, most importantly... that black smoke was a piece of shit. It should've massacred everyone, especially with a pissed off Ben. So, what's the deal?
ya i was thinking the same thing....i really hope they weren't able to fight it off...i'd rather have something like 'it can only attack for 15 mins because of some wierd island power'.
As for sawyer 'choosing' to stay behind, it seems to imply that the rest aren't dead, but just on the island. still, they could give you a twist even with that explanation. one thing thats really curious with the whole sawyer choosing to stay, is hurleys theory that they're all dead, and the 'real world' is some sort of purgatory. could it be true, and the ones on the island who chose to stay are alive, and the ones who chose to leave were killed or thrown in limbo by the island?
The first one to mention it was that psychic that clare went to see before (and after) she got pregnant....he was also the one who convinced her to get on the flight, so she would be the only one to raise aaron.Once again they made a point of who's supposed to raise Aaron. By the way, when was this first mentioned and by whom to who? We see what brought Jack's breakdown, or at least what started it, on the finale of season 3. Kate and Juliett looked very nice in this episode.
You guys think that Aaron could be like another ben/locke/jacob. Since he's the only baby to be born on the island (or the only one to survive rather), maybe he'll have a much stronger connection then any of the others, and a greater understanding of how the island works......maybe thats why only claire can raise him, cuz others would just try to use him for thier own benifit. Maybe he's even the key to changing those critical numbers that predict when the world will end.
Remember back in the last season's finale - Jack with his full beard meeting up with Kate, Kate saying she "had to get back to him". After this episode we can probably assume she was talking about Sawyer. I wonder what the promise is that she made to him? It doesn't seem like she's cheating or anything, why would she?
Also, the finale was obviously set after this episode, further into Jack's alcoholic breakdown. Yes, I'm speaking the obvious, but I like when it all comes together and you remember old moments that now make sense.
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when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Na', it has to be Aaron. If I remember correctly, it was Jack who was all psychopatic wanting to return to the Island (where Sawyer is) and it was Kate who didn't want to hear any of it.Originally Posted by Raven
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It was already mentioned in this episode that Sawyer chose not to leave the island...
I didn't care too much for this episode...it didn't reveal anything too spectacular.
I do remember there being an "oh shi!" moment at one point, but I can't place where now.
The Hurley part might have been the biggest mystery of the episode (well, and Claire disappearing, but frankly I'm not too interested in that until they show us something a little less....vague...). The Hurley scene seemed to suggest what many people had suspected early in the series: that the survivors are actually dead afterall. I dunno, should be interesting nonetheless.
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10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Fair point guys, Kate talking about Aaron makes more sense.
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when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Hurley's theory would make sense if Ben and Sayid weren't in Tunisia.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
true, the whole dead thing doesn't really work when ben and sayid are going around shooting people int eh face...then again, for all we know, they could be the only ones to truly survive, while the rest are actually dead/living in purgatory....i can't recall either of them making contact with any of the others as of yet.
I have a feeling though, the writers just threw in hurleys 'were all dead' theory to screw with the fans....it seems to me, that theory was/is a pretty popular one, and the writers undoubtedly read some of the forums where people post their very well thought out theories. Theres a good chance that they put that in thier as fan service, and to detract from the actual reason, whatever that may be.
I think the creators said a while ago, that the characters were definitely not in purgatory. But this whole dead people thing is screwing with me...
Does the whole "dead" theory involve just those on the island, or the Oceanic 6 as well? Because surely the 6 must be alive as they're back living in the real world, interacting with it.
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