That's great point, but just the same they can have him reading the book so we think he's going to die; but I think this series would more than likely have him killed if it ever came to that.Originally Posted by Assertn
That's great point, but just the same they can have him reading the book so we think he's going to die; but I think this series would more than likely have him killed if it ever came to that.
Heh, it seems we missed an entire episode's worth of discussion.
Anyway, onto this week's. I have to say I saw the whole Michael thing coming, since it was confirmed a while ago that he'd be in the show this season. When Ben was discussing an inside man on the ship I thought to myself "ah yes, that's when Michael will make his return".
How about the flash forwards! I didn't predict that ending at all. So Jin's faked his own death or something and is living a new life now? What the hell's going on? And was it just me or was Hurley totally hitting on Sun, saying it was "gooood" they were alone?
Edit** BTW, is there relevance to the name Michael used... "Kevin Johnson"?
Last edited by Raven; Fri, 03-14-2008 at 07:40 AM.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Wait, why do you figure that Jin faked his own death? If you're talking about the scenes with Jin in them, they were clearly a flashback... that's why they made him look so young and why they made the refference to only being 2 months married.
Regardless of if he's dead or not, he surely didn't make it out of the island. If you look at his tombstone, it says that he died on Sept. 22, 2004... same day the show premiered; which I assume is the date when the airplane crashed. So, to the world he died on the plane crash. Now, he may actually be still alive on the island... but who knows. Doesn't make sense to me that they'd visit his grave if he was still alive, so he should've died at some point in the island; and my guess is that he risked his life in order for Sun to escape or something.
As for Michael, yeah we all saw that coming... as for Kevin Johnson; it doesn't ring any bells to me... maybe after the Phoenix Suns' point guard.
And about last week; nice to see Ben get all emotional and we finally see some affection from Jack and Juliet... it's the first one we've seen in the series right? I mean, I think they've hinted that they might like each other but I don't think they've ever shown them kissing or anything.
Edit: Now we have to figure out who the last Oceanic 6 member is, since Jin is no longer an option. Should've known better when I chose him as a survivor. Maybe Michael or Walt will become the last one, or one of the Others replaces someone. Ben certainly has great power and influences in high places, he could make it happen but I don't see why they would need to go to such extent. I think Sawyer is looking as a likely candidate right now, but I still find him very doubtful. But my real bet would be Desmond making it out somehow.
Last edited by Munsu; Fri, 03-14-2008 at 08:54 AM.
Jin better not be dead. All this time I was hoping he'd die, but now I don't want him too! Looks like I was sorta right about both Sun and Jin not getting off the island though.
Juliette is such a bitch. I would poison her non expiring cereal.
And @ Michael getting on the boat, I didn't see the promos, but I saw it coming. haha.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
jin's so not dead. i'd bet my bank account on it if i didn't like it so much. every time i think of that scene at the graveyard, a little voice starts chanting, "all is not as it seems" in my head.
didn't see michael's appearance coming, though. i didn't pay much attention to last week's preview. what happened to him originally? i missed that.
This is going off of very vague memory which may or may not be influenced by dreams. Walt went missing, and the others were all talking to him or something. The others said they were scared or something. Michael was like OHSHI I'M going to find my son!! Waltttt! Walllllt!!! Ben said if you leave on this raft thing, I will give you your son. (Or something) They left on certain bearings. Or apparently they left.
Now we see that Michael works for Ben, and Walt looks a lot older. My friend Eek thinks Ben knows how to control time skips depending on the bearings of the island, and he set Walt and Michael back three years, hence Michael possibly 'infiltrating' and Walt looking a hell of a lot older.
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
I wouldn't say it was that clear it was a flashback, I certainly didn't pick it up. So they're mixing flashbacks with flash-forwards now? I can see now it would have been back when he was working for Sun's father. But I certainly didn't figure it out then.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Well, they did it this time to fool the audience and to make the impact and surprise factor of the final scenes that much greater.
Still, I wouldn't be surprised if he were still alive in the Island... but if that's the case, Sun visiting the grave doesn't make any sense.
ya i was definitely fooled by the flasback/flash forward mix....at first i though that maybe they somehow broke up and jin got remarried, and then i was like OOOHHH HES IN A FLASHBACK!
The micheal thing was a surprise for me cuz i just started watching the series and marathoned all the seasons in like a week, so i wasn't aware of any previews or news about the returning cast for season 4. I think that made it better cuz i was curious since ben first mentioned he had a spy.
As for the last oceanic 6, i really hope its desmond. hes such a great character and i'd hate for him to die.....and if its not him, i hope hes atleast alive on the island.
Thats an interesting theory, and seems plausable. Daniel did say that the 'side effects' were different for each person, and it could have something to do with the difference in thier travel paths. I really want to see more daniel/desmond centered episodes cuz they always reveal the most about the island and whats really going on. That thing about desmond being dans constant a few eps back...i guess at some point dan's gonna start time skipping too. He did say that its a result of EM exposure or radiation exposure, and he told desmond (in the past) that he used his radiation thing like 20 times a day.My friend Eek thinks Ben knows how to control time skips depending on the bearings of the island, and he set Walt and Michael back three years, hence Michael possibly 'infiltrating' and Walt looking a hell of a lot older.
On another topic, whats the deal with this Jacob character? I dont know if its been brought up already (i assume it has), but what are the current theories on who this jacob is and how he can make a cabin shake and disappear. And more importantly, why did he ask locke for help when ben brought him to the cabin. Could it be that jacob is the 'essence' of the island?
I theorize that Jacob and the random smoke monster thing from like two seasons ago are interlinked, but I have nothing further on that.
As for his theory. It's freaking scary as heck. That means Ben could possibly do anything he wants, given resources (and yes he does have the resources, he faked the plane crash with like 300 dead bodies) and that Ben is pretty much the most powerful character in the series up to date, unless you count Jacob, and no one knows who or what he is.
Haven't they done the whole flashback flashforward thing before? Either way, it was confusing. It's always possible that Sun thought Jin died, like he got shot or something in the midst of a battle (this also explains how Kate might have the baby and Jack is hellbent on never going back.
I also guess the people who are stalking Hugo are working for Penny's dad. What ever happened to Dharma, the ring future telling lady who talked to Desmond, and the physic who talked to Clair?
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Desmond can't be one of the oceanic six....he was never on the plane to begin with!
I wasn't really thinking of michael as the spy...although I guess I should have. After that flashforward with Sayid and Ben, I thought maybe Sayid was going to become the spy Ben was talking about.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Desmond can assume the identity of someone that was in the plane, so he can very well become one of the Oceanic Six, and Ben surely has the resources to make the deceit happen.
I thought it was Mr.Widmore who faked the plane crash, not ben.
I'm pretty sure they are pointing fingers at each other at this point.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qamB26x6ods
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Y'know, even after explaining how Michael got to be on the boat, they haven't explained how Walt was able to talk to him on the computer. But that might coincide with how he can project his own image, so in that case the explanation will come later.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
I'm sort of pissed that they wasted a whole episode on that flashback. I already pretty much assumed that's how it all went down. (Well, except for the Michael is now indestructible part)
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
As for a Jacob theory of which I am not validating, just passing on...
Ryan Scott from GFW Radio postcast says when they showed the outline for Jacob in the hut that one time to Locke and Ben, that it was the outline of Jack's Father down to the white shoes.
I dont' know dont' remember the outline or seeing the shoes, nor gone to look it up.
Was the woman that treated Michael in the hospital Ana Lucia's mom? She looked like it, although I thought she was a police chief or something...
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I don't remember what the woman looked like. Some hispanic woman maybe? Either way, I'm not sure it's relevant right now, the only thing that is happening off the island is Walt being depressed or something.
But that does bring us the the question of how Walt has been out of body contacting everyone, I have a feeling it is something that won't be mentioned for a long while
"Leaving hell is not the same as entering it." - Tierce Japhrimel
Well it would just be yet another of those oh damn storyline parallels things like they did in a lot of the flashbacks. Also there's the impact of the mom taking care of the guy that killed her daughter.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
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