TV: LOST

[Assertn]

I liked the potential it had set up as mystery of sorts. Even if the answer to the mystery didn't solve any of the other 4 million mysteries in the series, the fact that we knew nothing about the two characters allowed for alot of potential in that arena. However, I no longer considered this a valid excuse for the episode, after its concluded with none of the survivors actually solving the mystery, and the only reason we know what happened was because we physically saw the flashback of the event.

Aside from the complete tangent where Charlie admits he faked the kidnapping of Sun, the only character development was from the two people who left the show with as little impact as they entered.

[Raven]

When they first appeared in Season 3 I hated them and kept thinking "wtf, are we just supposed to accept them like they've been here all along?" which of course is exactly what you're supposed to think. Then they keep poking fun at that very element, having all the main characters keep asking "who ARE you?" because they are as confused as the viewer. Brilliant stuff.

Even though this episode was just filler really, because these characters have nothing to do with anything, it was still interesting to see how things played out. I always remembered that scene where he came out of the toilet and I've often wondered if there was anything more behind that or just a lame joke. And while the scene with Ben and Juliette was extremely lame, it was still nice to see confirmation of why they kidnapped only the 3 of them in particular.

That was such a great ending. Being buried alive was a fitting end to two people who were ultimately very annoying. I really hope they don't miraculously come back at some stage. Throughout the episode I had a slight suspicion they weren't actually dead, and when the Medusa spider was mentioned that kind of gave it away.

[Munsu]

I can't wait for tonight's episode... Looks like we'll have a catfight in our hands. Who are you guys rooting for? Kate or Juliette? I myself want Juliette.

[Raven]

Kate's the original, and she's more of a tomboy. Juliette's awesome but still, there's something unsure and fake about her yet. I'm rooting for Kate.

*Edit:
... and I was right. Yay!

An interesting ep, I found it infuriating how Locke basically didn't answer Kate's questions even though he himself has been after answers all along. And where could they all have possibly gone to?

The Sawyer story angle, while predictable, was a nice change of pace. It's true though, he's pretty much all that's left to lead the group, but I guess that'll change now that the four of them are about to return. And Juliette, can she be trusted? If she had the key, does that mean the Others gave it to her originally before they cuffed her? Or did she just happen to have a handcuff skeleton key in her pocket that she realized later? It doesn't quite add up that they'd gas her, cuff her, throw her in the jungle but also slip a key into her pocket.

We've seen in past flashbacks that Cassie has already told Sawyer about his baby, but when she told him the baby was already born. Kate was saying that she should call the cops and get him locked up, so I guess this flashback took place before he went to prison for whatever reason?

[Assertn]

The ending did kinda elude to Juliette being untrustworthy......
And that made Jack seem in on it as well

[Munsu]

The ending did kinda elude to Juliette being untrustworthy......
And that made Jack seem in on it as well

Wait... you mean that she's untrustworthy and that Jack is in on it? Or that she is trustworthy? Not sure if you used "elude" incorrectly instead of "allude".

Even if she's tricking them, I very much doubt Jack is in on it.

[Assertn]

erm lols plotbomb ep.

There was some particularly interesting stuff this time. I DO remember Claire saying something about a needle prior to being kidnapped by Ethan, so it was nice to revisit that and actually elaborate a little further. The whole "can't get pregnant" thing with the island is particularly interesting....explains why they always try to kidnap kids.

The deception near the ends makes me wonder though....
Does that mean that Claire was never really in any danger outside of the Others' tricks, or would she really have died had Ethan not shown up? How was Danielle able to give birth to Alex? What will happen with Sun being pregnant?


EDIT Just thought of a plothole....

When Ben first discovered that he had a tumor, why didn't he take the sub to the outside world to get it treated? Jack asked this very question while operating on Ben, and Tom said, "we could have, but ever since the sky turned purple..."
We now know that the "sky turning purple" refers to the destruction of the swan bunker, which destroyed all the communication devices on the island. Of course Ben would not be able to return to the island if he left to get the surgery, but his tumor was discovered weeks before the plane even crashed on the island, which was over a month before the swan bunker was destroyed.

In other words, there's no reason why Ben didn't go to the outside world to get the surgery done and come back before the bunker was destroyed.

[Raven]

I think he was reluctant to because he was born there, maybe? And he'd rather die than leave or something? I'm grasping a bit there.

What an amazing episode. So Ethan was crazy and went against the higher orders, kidnapping Claire, hanging Charlie, etc. maybe because during the course of his time with Claire he became attracted to her and wanted to keep her for himself. It's also a bit weird that Goodwyn was a doctor too, meaning that their two main doctors are now dead. Kind of dumb that they sent two such valuable people on the spy missions.

It seems to me that Claire would have died had she not been treated. But, that still doesn't explain about Danielle/Alex. Maybe that will be revealed later as the exception or something.

[Assertn]

Did you watch the same episode as I did? I didn't see anywhere where they said Goodwyn was a doctor....and Ethan wanting Claire to himself? No....Juliette specifically said that Ethan had to kidnap Claire because the manifest was found.

[Raven]

When that girl died giving birth and Juliette was trying to save her but failed, Ethan was the one who said she was dead and Goodwyn was one of the other doctors. Well, I would assume only doctors were present for the operation.

My point about Ethan was that he went against orders and violently kidnapped her, "on his own, it was never the plan" in Juliette's words. At first it was to save her life and he had to improvise, but because he was so passionate about getting Claire back and threatening Charlie way back when, I thought maybe during his time with her he developed feelings for her, something that does happen in some doctor/patient relationships. Just a thought though, I'm probably wrong.

[Assertn]

When that girl died giving birth and Juliette was trying to save her but failed, Ethan was the one who said she was dead and Goodwyn was one of the other doctors. Well, I would assume only doctors were present for the operation.

My point about Ethan was that he went against orders and violently kidnapped her, "on his own, it was never the plan" in Juliette's words. At first it was to save her life and he had to improvise, but because he was so passionate about getting Claire back and threatening Charlie way back when, I thought maybe during his time with her he developed feelings for her, something that does happen in some doctor/patient relationships. Just a thought though, I'm probably wrong.

Ah, hard to recognize Goodwyn I guess

Nah, when he came back to get her again she was still pregnant, and it was right around the time that they were going to cut her open to remove the baby. I'm sure he had grown impatient and knew that radical steps needed to take place immediately.

[Munsu]

Throughout the whole episode I was thinking, "Wow, what shitty writting is this... what a coincidence that Claire got sick just when Juliet was arriving, how convenient." I'm glad they explained it with a implant that got activated manually by them, and it wasn't simply a coincidence.

Anyways, can't wait for the next episode... from the previews it seems like the shit is going to hit the fan (of course, it has happened plenty of times already)... but it looks like an allout war.

I still have a bit of faith on Juliet, she can't be toying with Jack's emotions like this... what a bitch.

[Raven]

So somehow Penny has managed to track down the island, even if it did crash their helicopter. At least we know it's possible for the outside world to get there.

Did everyone spot the photo on the head monk's desk of that old woman from the jewelry shop in Desmond's previous flashback? Interesting.

A bit of a filler ep, they seem pretty keen to develop this love triangle thing. Well, love quadrangle if you include Juliette I suppose. Still entertaining though.

*EDIT: By the way, it was nice to see the origin of Desmond's "brother" syndrome.

[Munsu]

Yeah, it was indeed nice to see the "brother" bit. It was also nice to see how he met the love of his life, I was confused for the whole episode with the chick he went to visit, I thought she was his sister who was complaining about him leaving Penny.

Fucking previews fooled me once again, I was expecting an all-out war this episode, but I guess it wasn't all that bad.

[Raven]

So what do you think the deal with Jacob is?

I can't figure it out. It was really weird and creepy.

[Assertn]

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob

ya, Locke better survive though =[

[Raven]

Nice site. Can't believe I've never been there.

It really seemed like Charlie would die this time, what with the flashbacks, the tearful goodbyes, the passing of his family heirloom...

Oh well. I'm probably the only person in the world who doesn't mind him anyway.

[Strifexgx]

Just a curious thought and figured id post here to get responses about it.

Weve seen the map of the stations listing that there are 8 of them: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:BlastDoorMap.jpg

The ones listed are:
The swan/the hatch
The Arrow
The Flame
The Staff
The Pearl/?

But we also now currently know of two others:
The Hydra
The Looking Glass

The main question and granted nothing can be completley answered atm is, Are the latter The Hyrda and the Looking glass are one of the 3 not listed on the map? Seeing as the blank ones are all aligned within what looks to be the island and we know the Looking glass is off shore underwater and the Hydra is on a small atoll of the main island. Just a random thought and thinking outloud as to if weve narrowed it down to one "hatch" left or if there are still 3 others we have yet to see

[Assertn]

The idea is the map is drawn solely by the discoveries of the two guys previously stationed at the Swan. This is further implied by various scribbles suggesting that regions outside of the boundary (the blue octagon I think?) are incompatible with "108"....which many have speculated to refer to the 108 minute time limit the guys have to wander away from the bunker.

Considering such limitation, you could argue that it'd be particularly easy to have additional bunkers beyond the "108" minute zone, including ones that would be impossible to reach without a boat or a sub.

[Strifexgx]

Though i disagree with the 108 minute limit, only based on what we know of the positions of the Arrow and the Flame. The Arrow was located at the tailes crash site (or within a short range of it) I believe they hiked 3 days or so (basing on memory so could be slightly off) before they ran into the losties. I also believe the Flame was mentioned by one of them as a two day hike away.
You do bring up a good point though about the looking glass and hydra since that guy wouldnt have been trying to steal des' boat if they had anything like such

Ill look for confirmation about the distances