Originally posted by: RasenDori
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Naruto can't beat orochimaru as a ninja.
assertn's right. besides all of you that want to see naruto act like a ninja against orochimaru would only complain and say that theres no way he would stand a chance against orochimaru blah blah blah fucking blah .

too all of you that have a problem with the use of monsters all the sudden (im looking at you hakeem since you seem to be the biggist complainer here) try to understand that this is the direction the story is going into now. the akatsuki wants the bijuus, so we are going to see a whole lot of jinchuuriki from now on. also naruto himself is going into a darker direction. his seal is breaking, his bijuu manifest itself with rage, and its hurting him. and it doesnt help that he has a personal grudge against all of his enemies (kabuto and orochimaru for using sasuke and the akatsuki for coming after him and treating jinchuuriki like they are less then human).

i personally didnt like naruto jumping so quickly to anger so often these days, but i realize now that its because hes becoming more unstable. unless he learns to control this he may end up as unstable as pre chuunin exam gaara. indeed... this is really interesting

I didn't say against orochimaru. I said I would like to see him act like a ninja. Period. So yeah, he probably can't take on Orochimaru without using the power of the kyubi. Besides, the situation hasn't really arisen to see Naruto use ninja techniques and low levels of kyubi chakra as if a bloodline limit. I would just like to see that situation arise so as to guage Naruto's development as a thinker. Does he still have to get his ass kicked to the point of death to figure out enough of the enemies abilities and mount a counterattack? Does he know enough jutsu to be able to take on a variety of opponent types? Questions like that need to be answered because when you see Naruto in the Kimimaro fight, and then Naruto in the Gaara or Sasuke fight, Naruto is litterally placed at the half way point between a combat genius and a total moron. Furthur development of his character is needed to refine the ideas we have about him, and bringing out kyuubi chakra to own everybody and their mothers isn't going to do it.