Sasori vs Oro

[Carnage]

Actually, he clearly states QUOTE " Thats the reason I left that orginization. Because he is stronger than me".

EPISODE 80/81 PPLZ.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I still don't see where it says he couldn't beat Itachi. Just that Itachi was more powerful, an observation he has made and intelligently calculated. He knows Itachi is capable of killing him.

[anphorus]

Azreal is right, power isn't everything. When it comes to raw power Naruto has been the strongest from the start of the series, but that didn't mean much if he can't use it. Itachi is strong and his mangekyoku sharingan gives him some powerful jutsu, but Itachi is only around 19 whereas Oro is over 50 and has much more experience. Not to mention that Orochimaru probably knows more jutsu than any other ninja alive, Itachi is a treat but it's not like Oro wopuldn't be able to put up a fight or beat him. Shikamaru is a prime example of how power can mean next to nothing in a battle.

I think Oro left because he felt that the organisation wasn't helping him and that, seeing as how he couldn't get a hold of Itachi, who was potential threat, and Kimimaro became an inapppropriate vessel he needed to go after the only other person he knew had the Sharingan.

[Ero-Fan]

Besides the fact that the rest of Akatsuki probably wouldn't have looked to fondly on Orochimaru taking Itachi's body.

[Carnage]

They dont look too fondly of Orochimaru taking Sasuke either. You guys can believe what you want. I know I heard that Orochimaru specifically said that the reason he left the organization was because Itachi was more powerful. Case Closed.

Oh, and

still don't see where it says he couldn't beat Itachi. Just that Itachi was more powerful, an observation he has made and intelligently calculated. He knows Itachi is capable of killing him.

Killing him is beating him.

And about the whole power vs. skill, If orochimaru could beat Itachi then he just would have beaten him. Since he couldnt beat him, he left to get Sasuke's sharingan.

It wouldnt matter if Akatsuki cared or not if Orochimaru took over Itachi's body, because Itachi would then just be able to beat Akatsuki. If he couldnt, then he wouldnt be trying to get Sasuke because he knows its pissing off Akatsuki and they would just kill him if they got hold of him. So Orochimaru must have something up his sleeve where if he has the sharingan, he can take out any Akastuki member.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I said he COULD kill Oro, not that he WOULD 100% no questions asked in a hypothetical fight, that's just ridiculous. No one ever said Itachi beat Oro in Akatsuki, we don't know that.

I think it's this inferiority complex of Oro's...he's so jealous that Itachi has a tool like the mangekyou sharingan that he's putting more value into the doujutsu than perhaps it even deserves.

[krzyxb0rdr]

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[anphorus]

From what we've seen of Oro's mind transfer jutsu, it seems to leave him rather open to counterattack, so in order to transfer to Itachi Orochimaru would have to beat him down in a fight (as he sure as hell wouldn't go willingly). There are two problems to this. 1) Itachi is a threat, Orochimaru wants immortality, which means that he wouldn't risk himself in a fight. He only fought the Third because he was sure he could beat him without a lage risk of him dying. 2) In order to beat Itachi in a fight he would have to injure him substantially which isn't a good idea if you are going to be occupying that body.

And the point I just raised also applies to the "Itachi" is stronger thing. Orochimaru needs immortality to achive his goals, therefor he would be afraid of taking too big a risk when fighting Itachi, so naturally he would consider him "stronger" since in order to just kill Itachi he doesn't have to worry about himself, it wouldn't matter if he died in the process, whereas since he needs to survive, it's a much larger risk.

[Carnage]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
I said he COULD kill Oro, not that he WOULD 100% no questions asked in a hypothetical fight, that's just ridiculous. No one ever said Itachi beat Oro in Akatsuki, we don't know that.

I think it's this inferiority complex of Oro's...he's so jealous that Itachi has a tool like the mangekyou sharingan that he's putting more value into the doujutsu than perhaps it even deserves.

Hhhmmmm...... you have a point, except that I dont think Orochimaru is the kind of villian to have an inferiority complex. He always seems superior. And if he himself said that he thinks that he would lose i think he knows his own power to make good judgement on whether or not he could win.

[The Heretic Azazel]

BOTTOM LINE.

It would have been better if Oro took Itachi's body and Kyuubi. All mangekyou Kyuubi. Oohh.

[Carnage]

That would be the biggest ownage eva. The only people who could deal with that are the uber nutz super poweredtastic dbz characters! ZOMG! IT SHOULD NEVER RESORT TO THAT!

[darkmetal505]

except, soon he would go blind, and no little kid likes a blind guy.

[Carnage]

The kyuubi powers would heal his eyes.

[Assertn]

I'm sorry...I thought this was the Oro vs Sasori topic.

[Carnage]

Oh yea. All in all:

Sasori< strong teenage girl + skilled old hag

Orochimaru> 1,000,000 strong teenage girls + 1,000,000 skilled old hag

Orochimaru > Sasori

[Assertn]

Orochimaru + 2 immortal hokage zombies <= old guy

[Carnage]

But the old guy is super duper pooper awsome. Infact, Orochimaru WON that fight! Who came out standing? Eh? Eh?

[heero]

Originally posted by: God#2
But the old guy is super duper pooper awsome. Infact, Orochimaru WON that fight! Who came out standing? Eh? Eh?

old guy would win too if he had 2 more hokages on his side lmao

[Carnage]

But old guy isn't good enough to know how to get two hokages on his side.

[heero]

Originally posted by: God#2
But old guy isn't good enough to know how to get two hokages on his side.

not true. he is the genius of jutsu. im sure he could IF he wanted to. but thats against his morals.