What is a "CL roommate"?Originally Posted by rockmanj
My last housemate/roommate has soured me on getting another one. It's particularly dicey since I own the house, and no one (except maybe family) will ever treat your stuff as well as you do (or as well as a considerate and respectful person should). Worse yet is that it was a female, which I thought would help with cleanliness and care. It's a myth, chicks are just as shitty as dudes when it comes to housework and other peoples' stuff.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It used to be true, but it certainly isn't any more. I would think that it comes hand in hand with empowering females (or anybody, really).
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I've been accused of misogyny on here at least twice, but this might be the most sexist thing I've read on gotwoot.
There have always been lazy and inconsiderate women who would make bad housemates.
Talk to any woman who went to an all-girls school.
People clean because they want to impress someone else. Housewives clean because they're bored.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sun, 05-11-2014 at 04:44 AM. Reason: moved italics
In my own experience I would say that in the last 20 years (speaking in general) males have improved a bit in "home economics" and females have worsened a lot (talking about ppl of less than 40 years). At least in my country. This is all from my experience I repeat. Doesnt make it standard. If I would have to make a trend from all the housemates/family/friends/girlfriends it would be that males suck at bath cleaning and doing iron and that females suck at general tidyness and cooking (and this one is the most surprising one for me cause my mother and grandmothers are/were some of the best cooks I have ever met).
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Females are starting to suck at cleaning and cooking because they do not do it as much anymore, and it is not expected of them. It is nothing about the differences between the sexes, but simply practice makes perfect. If you do not do it, you do not get better at it and it does not become a habit.
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Aren`t guys better at cooking anyway? We should shift society so cooking becomes a guys thing.
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Damn! Why are you guys so attached to gender stereotypes?
I'm just going to ignore every other post on this page and say housewives are people and people clean because they want things clean. I can see why you would be accused of misogyny and why you sometimes seem so arrogant. You pretty much said that people only clean because they are trying to impress someone. Secondly housewives which you imply are a distinct group separate from other people only clean because they have nothing better to do with their lives. Not implying that you are either arrogant or misogynistic that is just the way I read it. I think most people clean because they like and/or want things clean. The reasons why they may like or want things clean are not really important.
Personally, I just like things clean period. You seem to have dismissed the fact that there are people who just like to be neat, ordered, tidy and clean. Not to mention all the delusion people who believe cleanliness is next to godliness. I just find it is much easier to think and I function better when things are ordered and it is always much simpler and I am all for efficiency. Most often I find that like everything else in my life how clean things are is a reflection of my mood or mental state so I pay a lot of attention to such things. Don't need to go into any of that though.
I agree with you though, Bill's statement was quite sexist though I would use the word foolish. I think he was just giving us a bit of insight into his character. He seems to think empowering someone would make them less cognizant of the little things in life and less inclined to do things that he believes they would deem insignificant or unimportant. Very Freudian.
I suppose I should add a disclaimer just in case you guys don't understand my sense of humor. I find this subject quite humorous. I have known a few women who were incredibly messy, a few who probably could not cook a meal to save their lives. Some who are obsessively clean(mother,girlfriend) even more who are great cooks but it means nothing because I know guys like that as well. Anyway I always attribute such things to personal strengths or weaknesses of the individuals themselves and not something endemic to their gender. So to restate my previous question, why do you guys think otherwise?
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I think Ryll was giving me shit as much as Buff. Stereotypes are rooted in truth, but times change and the facts change with them, so we need new stereotypes to make sense of the world.
I think I have this Asian chauvinist/romanticist/chivalrous mentality that Buffalobiian has (probably because we're both Asian) about women when it comes to tidiness and house work. I think the liberation of the housewife into the wage-earning world is a major cause of why women don't clean or cook or raise children the same as they did in past generations. It's not a knock against them, it's just a paradigm change that we haven't fully accepted yet. I for one would love to be a stay-at-home dad who cooks and cleans and takes care of the kids (I've stated this before) while my wife brings home the bacon.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I have four housemates (actually, one just left today, so it's three), and because we didn't choose eachother and because two of them are exchange students, it's really not that fun.
there are stuff in the fridge that were here before I moved in.. and they don't seem to care. nor do they care about expiry dates and stuff
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You're looking too deeply into a very simple statement. Housewives are of course a subset of people. They have an additional motivating factor to clean frequently because being at home all day every day is boring as shit.
Who are they impressing? Neighbors, relatives, friends, their other half, etc.
As for people who clean because they, "like and/or want things clean," you're telling me that you vacuum all the carpets, make all the beds, and scotch-brite the sink once a day; dust everything in the house, sweep/mop the floors, shake out any rugs, and wash all the windows every week? I'm not talking about doing the dishes and laundry or being organized.
I mean June Cleaver shit here, which is what I assumed Buff and Ani's initial discussion referred to.
Why do you think this? Because some of the most renown chefs are men? There are plenty of well-known female chefs too. I don't think cooking is a gender-based skilled. Just up until a few decades ago, "a woman's place was in the kitchen" and a man's place was not, so women were better cooks than men in general (maybe not in restaurants).
Ahh that explains it. What a hit and miss method of selecting a roommate! Of course, I've lived with friends before and we were less friendly by the end of it because they were such slobs or had such peculiar habits. I almost went the CL route but I really am happier living by myself.
Not for my part. I just expect a roommate to do the basics like cleaning the dishes they use, taking out the trash on occasion, picking up their dogs' shit in the backyard (without having to be told to), and maybe vacuuming once in a while. I don't expect a housewife, just a decent roommate.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Hah! There was a good chance it'd be interpreted that way so I even put an extra bit in brackets.
Shinta nails it there. It's not about whether females should be better cleaners etc (In my opinion, that sort of thought brings about sexism). It's just that making housework a lesser part of their lives (with the lowered expectation and perhaps childhood training.. but expectation more than anything else)
Exactly. It doesn't matter if women can't clean these days because there is so much more to their lives other than "I'm a woman, my only worth is how well I clean the house, how well I cook my meals, and how well I raise my kids." It's much easier to manifest your laziness in that regard when it's no longer highly expected of you, and no longer a major part of your self worth.
Upbringing goes a long way. The same could be said about beating kids. You see some oldies talk about how they used to beat their kids and they were more disciplined. I think that has some truth in it that kids at least acted more disciplined. You'd cop a backhand to the face if you talked back. That statement isn't an argument to bring back corporal punishment. It's an observation that this is the result from respecting equal human rights. When you give people rights they do things with it - which you may or may not like.
I don't think it necessarily changes what the kid is inside (they could still grow up to be assholes), but they also expected that if they acted like assholes someone's gonna get hurt.
I thought that leaving raw chicken/used-knife on the bench for 10 days was a bit too much. >_>
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That falls under being a decent roommate. Even guys do dumb shit like that.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
What kind of people have you been living with? The worst I ever had to deal with were unwashed dishes for 1-2 days or snoring.
@Abdula - A bit late, but I just wanted to say I am not part of the "you guys" in your post. It should be clear if you read my previous post.
Peace.
Did you share a bedroom with them or was this a dorm? Or can you hear their snoring from another room?
I snore but I always felt bad for others I had to share a room with. I also used to crack the knuckles of my big toes repeatedly while trying to go to sleep.
Worse roommate I had would always want to go to bed by 10pm so he could wake up to watch cartoons the next morning. We shared a bedroom and I refused to go to sleep that early. It's not like he was tired either, because he wouldn't fall asleep until it was pitch dark and quiet in the room.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Shared bedroom with the snoring. I wore earplugs but it was loud enough that I thought I dropped my plugs while asleep. I am a very sensitive sleeper after all.
My bitch:
Why is there no sleeping pill with no negative side effects? I am stuck with using alcohol, which will eventually kill me and my liver.
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That sucks. I think I'm in that category, my snoring can be heard in adjacent rooms. My last gf stopped letting me sleep over because of it.
I think Zzzquil is advertised as a non-addictive sleeping aid. Read some reviews and they are generally positive.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I know, since this was a guy.
I never once said guys are cleaner than girls, but thought that "girls are cleaner than guys" has now become something of the past as their upbringing is no longer so different.
@shinta: I suppose you could try drowsy antihistamines but they may not work, or they may still make you drowsy in the morning.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Mon, 05-12-2014 at 02:19 AM.
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Alcohol makes you sleep worse. You may fall asleep, but you'll still be tired in the morning and lose a lot of REM sleep.
The sleeping ingredient in many over the counter sleep aids ("non-habit forming" kind) is just an anti-histamine. They're basically all Diphenhydramine (Benadryl). This includes both Nyquil (which knocks you out with low dose alcohol combined with the Benadryl in it) and brand name sleeping pills like Unisom or zzzQuil.
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