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    I live in a house, he doesn`t lives with me but was working his way into moving in by slowly bringing his things to my room.

    I went easy on him for several reasons:

    1) He is one of my two best friends for several years.

    2) I`m in a good place economically, more or less mid-high class, while he`s easily low-low class.

    3) I`m not particularly attached to money and I`m really careless with my things, especially in my room, it`s not odd for someone to go into my room and see money laying around.

    4) I never had trouble with missing things before.

    That said, I see now how staying silent was a mistake, when he was relatively sane I didn`t mentioned it to him because I knew it would be quite embarrassing for him, after that I didn`t mentioned anything because it could worsen his condition. I decided that from now on I`ll simply receive people in my living room, no one else will get into my room besides my family.
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    Fuckkkk, I hate myself right now.

    I was standing in front of my college, watching people walk by. Then this guy starts walking along my line of vision with his shirt off. I realized that he was covered in dirt and his face was all bloody. He was using his shirt to wipe the blood of his face and he was sort of limping, not walking. Clearly this guy got mugged, or was in an MMA street fight or something.

    All I could say was, "You okay?." And he looked at me kind of shocked that I even said anything and was like "Yeah... I'm okay" even though he clearly wasn't. If it was the normal me, I would have forced him to let me buy him first aid or something, but I just let him walk by thinking like, "well, I can't do anything to help him". Then after a few minutes when I realized I could have in fact bought him first aid or something, I ran after him in the direction he went, but he was long gone. D:
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    I don't know.. if someone says "yeah, I'm alright", I don't feel I'm in any position to say "no, you're not".

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    That's just what people say to not inconvenience strangers.

    If someone was clearly having a heart attack but insisted they were okay, would you turn away anyway?
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    Wow Sapphire. You are downright decent. Feeling guilty about not helping that guy is kind of ridiculous though.. There isn't really anything you could have done. I, much like that guy, am surprised the thought even occurred to you. Kudos to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    That's just what people say to not inconvenience strangers.

    If someone was clearly having a heart attack but insisted they were okay, would you turn away anyway?
    Yes, I would. It's the same in first aid - you must ask them if they consent to you performing first aid on them or else it's assault.

    If they were unconscious that's another matter, but I respect rejections. Honestly, I don't know how society and courts take this, but I'm a full supporter of autonomy. People are can make their own choices (which we should respect, or at least allow), regardless of what we think is good or bad for them.

    I'm also of the belief that if you want help, you should ask for it. I don't look highly of people who don't ask for help, then make remarks such as "All he/she did was watch". Likewise, I retort with "All you did was keep your mouth shut".

    I believe in positive feedback and vocalising your thoughts. People don't know what you're thinking about - and it's not up to them to guess it. If someone risks "being seen as dumb" and asks for help, they should be rewarded for their actions by having a higher chance of someone helping them. Likewise, if someone wants to keep their pride and act all tough (not asking for help is one of these acts), they deal with the resultant consequence.

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    I think you are very decent indeed by asking him, Sapphi. I have a feeling these days most people would just stare or even ignore, hoping the wounded person won't approach them. The worst ones would naturally take a photo with their cell phone and upload it to Facebook...

    However, if it was a young man declining assistance in a public place, my opinion is that you already did all that you could by asking and being prepared to help if he had requested it. Nobody knows his exact circumstances. For all we know he might have already reached some acquaintance by the time you lost him, so inconveniencing you would have been unnecessary in his own opinion. We'll never know, other than that it's reasonable to assume he didn't need help at that point, or his whole life might have been screwed and realistically you couldn't have done anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    That's just what people say to not inconvenience strangers.

    If someone was clearly having a heart attack but insisted they were okay, would you turn away anyway?
    The amount of empty platitudes in American English is sometimes downright bizarre. It's definitely the reason Buff isn't as concerned about his state than you were.

    What I mean for non-Americans: A standard greeting in the US will be "How are you?/How are things?" The expected answer is, "Good, thanks." or "Good, and yourself?" If you answer honestly, (e.g. "Not great. / Pretty shitty.") you'll either get a strange look, or they will actually, and hilariously, reply "Good!" showing you that they weren't paying attention at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Yes, I would. It's the same in first aid - you must ask them if they consent to you performing first aid on them or else it's assault.
    Not necessarily in the US! Implied consent clauses exist within the Good Samaritan Law. Not in Saph's case since he responded. It typically is invoked for some state of unconsciousness. Many European actually enforces duty to assist.
    I'm also of the belief that if you want help, you should ask for it. I don't look highly of people who don't ask for help, then make remarks such as "All he/she did was watch". Likewise, I retort with "All you did was keep your mouth shut".
    US Good Samaritan Laws allow bystanders to legally do nothing (except in certain states).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryll
    Not necessarily in the US! Implied consent clauses exist within the Good Samaritan Law. Not in Saph's case since he responded. It typically is invoked for some state of unconsciousness. Many European actually enforces duty to assist.
    Yeah, I was talking about in cases where the patient can respond. In non-responsive states consent is implied.

    I learned something on this topic last year, but I can't remember the specifics. In Australia I think you're obliged to do what a "decent human being" would do, but our laws have something that covers your ass - if you did something in good faith, you're not liable even if you screw up. This is talking about medically untrained persons. Pretty sure medically trained people are ethically obliged to help somehow. (this is all assuming consent is given or unable to be given)

    The standard greeting thing happens here too (not sure how it compares to USA), but whether it's commonplace or not doesn't concern me. "Everyone says they're alright, it doesn't mean they really are" doesn't work for me. If you say you're alright, I take it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    In Australia I think you're obliged to do what a "decent human being" would do, but our laws have something that covers your ass - if you did something in good faith, you're not liable even if you screw up. This is talking about medically untrained persons. Pretty sure medically trained people are ethically obliged to help somehow. (this is all assuming consent is given or unable to be given)
    Medically trained (including previous but no longer up-to-date qualifications) individuals in the US very much can be legally liable if they screw up while helping. A person is supposed to announce what type and level of training they have had if they are assisting.

    I don't know how far it extends though, as in whether or not someone trained in CPR 12 year ago is legally liable if they break a rib or two doing chest compressions. Probably only refers to nurses, doctors or EMTs (presently employed, retired, or otherwise).

    The laws have very peculiar idiosyncrasies.

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    In my country, if you don`t break a rib or two you`re doing it wrong.
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    a new season of "big brother - Israel" just started. I'm really looking forward to spending the next three months listenning to people who claim they don't watch it deride it as garbage, despite them watching every regular episode and the live feed.
    not to mention how every tv set in a public place will be showing the live feed, and yet no one will admit to liking it, but not one of them will turn it off.

    hooray!, oh wait, I mean the exact opposite of that.

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    You know that is really what the the UN needs to focus on. They need to sit down and get everyone to agree to stop filming/airing any reality shows for 2 or 3 years at least.
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    Whoever designed the caulk-gun method of dispensing product is an asshole and should have every orifice in his body crammed with a caulk gun and caulk emptied into him. What a ridiculously wasteful, messy, frustrating way to apply caulk/putty/cement.


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    I didn't believe it until I saw a contractor do it right in front of me. No blobs, no gaps, no changes in width, didn't even need to run something down the line to smooth it out.

    Caulking is an art.

    Applying the correct pressure and moving at the correct speed is a skill that can be learned only through exhaustive experience.

    Two tips I learned that I will pass along.
    #1: Always cut the tube at an angle, and make damn sure the longer part of the tip is away from the direction you're moving (i.e. it is going over where you've already applied). This allows you to control the flow better.
    #2: Go slow. Harder than it sounds.

    #1 will help with #2, because when you have the angle correct, you put down less wasted product, and don't feel a need to move as fast.

    As a bonus, using a silicone finishing tool to scrape away excess will give you a perfect line. The finger method works well, but those tools are totally worth the price. But you do have to put on what looks like a little bit more than you need for them to work correctly. Always have paper towel on hand.


    Hope you have better luck with it in the future.

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    I certainly haven't had bad experience with a caulk gun. It seems like a perfect, simple solution for applying a viscous substance that requires some pressure to get out of the container, and it also allows a reasonable ergonomy and keeping the disposable container itself as simple as possible because the mechanisms are mainly in the gun itself.

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    I've also seen contractors "cheat" by applying 2 strips of masking tape to get that perfect bead of caulking.

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    It's impossible to find jeans who fit both my thick legs and my small waist. Anyone know of any cheap brands who accommodate for these sort of needs?

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    Wow, do ALL of you guys have construction experience? *salivates*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    It's impossible to find jeans who fit both my thick legs and my small waist. Anyone know of any cheap brands who accommodate for these sort of needs?
    Have you tried to see if a tailor can fix that problem for you?

    You need Jojo pants. Or Spandex.

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