it's for the better
you can go on with your life without having to clean up for the crap she's giving you, and she can continue running her life.
it's for the better
you can go on with your life without having to clean up for the crap she's giving you, and she can continue running her life.
Good job on finally manning up, XanBcoo.
I knew you could do it.
Anyone would do that after the email incident, I'd think.Originally Posted by enkoujin
The question is, if the same sort of situation happened again (but this time Xan didn't discover the backdoor emails, or if they didn't exist), would Xan still be indecisive, or will he use this example as a precedence to make his judgement?
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
/me hands Xan a tissue a beer and a condom. Go out and relieve some stress.
Last edited by dragonrage; Fri, 08-26-2011 at 04:57 PM.
___---------------------------- "THE DROPOUT CREW"--------------------------------________Deblas, IfingHateTonTon, RyougaZell, dragonrage.________
________ we may fuck up alot but we always pull thru.
Sorry to hear that...it is going to be a rough time, but I am sure you will pull through feeling better. Good job making a firm decision.
Ah, today has been really crappy for me as well, but was capped off by the police harassing me, cuffing me, searching me, all (I think) unnecessarily. I was walking from my office to pick up a Zipcar and was stopped by a police officer while crossing the street. He hopped out the car and told me to put my hands on the car. Very calmly, I asked what the problem was and what I had done wrong. He kept telling me to just put my hands on the car and then a second officer came behind me and cuffed me. After going through my pockets and bag, they told me that there was "a black with dreadlocks" that had stolen something from a store somewhere near there or something (the person also apparently had 3 women with him). Then they asked me 3 times where I was coming from, to which I replied "my office", and even suggested that they call there to verify that I had just been there.
Afterward, they let me go, but one cop said to me that "I should use one of the cell phones in have and call them if I see anymore blacks around". I thought it was over after that, but then when I kept walking and had gotten about 2 blocks away, 2 police SUVs surrounded me and 2 cops got out and started questioning me, demanding my ID and asking me where I was going. They then demanded that I go with them, and I refused; as even they admitted that they knew the 1st 2 cops had already searched me. They kept telling me to go with them, and I kept refusing, and then they got a call and drove away.
I understand that they were looking for a "black with dreads", but that cannot have been the only description. Also, I was being cooperative; I don't understand why I had to be cuffed. It was pretty humiliating, as people walking down the street were looking at me like I was some sort of criminal. I don't even know if filing a police complaint would be worth it, since I would have to sign an affidavit and give a statement.
Damn, Rockmanj that really sucks. Racial profiling at it's worst I guess. Did you take down their badge numbers and note the precinct they were from to file a complaint because this can be considered police harassment.
It all depends on how you feel about it man, it's going to be a long process and if the system is as slow as it is here you're going to loose a good day of work and even feel more violated.
It would have been good if someone recorded the incident and have it uploaded or sent to a news station or something to expose what has happened because as it is, it's your word against theirs and they don't really give a shit about you.
Hope the day gets better.
btw, I have always wondered, what the hell is "Deigo Quality"
Last edited by dragonrage; Fri, 08-26-2011 at 03:42 PM.
___---------------------------- "THE DROPOUT CREW"--------------------------------________Deblas, IfingHateTonTon, RyougaZell, dragonrage.________
________ we may fuck up alot but we always pull thru.
That sucks, Rockmanj, but I'm not sure it is all that unusual. A friend of mine drove a blue truck years ago. One night while he was driving home, the cops randomly pulled him over. They got him out of the car, cuffed him, forced him to lie on the ground (I think it had been raining earlier so it was nice wet pavement), and searched through his car very thoroughly. After about 5 minutes searching the car, they got him up, uncuffed him with out saying anything, and drove off.
Apparently, some other random white guy who also owned a blue truck had robbed a bank or business or something. He found that out the next afternoon reading the local paper.
You getting hassled twice even though they already knew you were searched is what really sucks.
This is "Diego Quality" I can see why they wanted to question me, but it seemed kind of unprofessional since they did not listen to anything I was saying, and I know exactly what precinct it was, since I work at an economic development council that deals with a lot of community issues. I don't know if I will file a complaint, but I did email the district commander and tell him exactly what happened. I did not get any badge numbers, but I remember the name of one of the officers. And the day has been very sucky since I woke up (likely got stood up on a date, forgot my medicine at home, was coerced into agreeing to move into a crappy studio, got into an argument about Korean culture), but thanks.
Yeah that sucks to hear what happened rockmanj, though I'd suggest you not take it personal or think of it as racial profiling. Like Ryllharu mentioned, they identified you by description, not necessarily by race. Police are under a lot of stress and pressure to stop crime and sometimes get overzealous. Plus imagine getting lied to and given the run-around day after day by 99% of the people you deal with ("it's not mine officer, it's my cousin's, I was just holding it for him") and you learn not to trust people at their word. When you suggest they call to confirm your story, it's seen as a stall tactic or like you're messing with them.
Though your post makes my tongue-in-cheek racism/xenophobia about Xan's students seems less fun.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
What the heck is that? If they ask where you come from, what's the alternative if they don't believe you? Get a police dog to track your movements back based on odour traces left behind? If they aren't going to believe the answer from the beginning, they shouldn't be bothered if they receive a 100% logical and very easy suggestion.
I live in one of the bigger cities in Finland and I don't believe I've ever seen anybody get cuffed. I'm not even sure I've ever witnessed an arrest. I have only seen the police stop to talk to some chaps in a nonaggressive manner. Getting randomly cuffed when you walk out of your office building sounds like some fricking dystopian science fiction to me.
Well, things are a bit more hectic in Chicago, but law enforcement officers are not supposed to restrain you unless you are deemed a threat to them or yourself. As I was attempting to be cooperative and answer questions, there was really no reason to handcuff me in the middle of the street in front of all those people walking about. I already scare white and Asian women by...well, existing. I am sure that only exacerbated things.
As much as the cuffing seemed unnecessary and demeaning, I think it's a safety precaution as well as a method of intimidation. If they have you cuffed, they can be more at ease and it might keep you safer as well (from overzealous trigger-happy types).
@Kraco: offering to call someone to confirm your story is like trusting personal references on a job application. Of course you will only list people sympathetic and friendly to you so they will back you up, even if they have to lie.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Like Ani said, they're really more afraid of you bolting, or pulling a weapon out of your pocket. It happens. Cops get shot/stabbed/attacked all the time.
It's the same reason you're better off keeping your hands on the wheel once you roll the window down for a traffic stop. Reaching toward your glovebox to grab your registration while they're still in their cruiser will actually put the cop on edge, thinking you grabbed something else. Trust me, they'll come up to the window with their hand on their service arm. You often end up better if the cop stays at ease the entire duration of the traffic stop. You tell them when you're going to do something, "It's in the glovebox, let me get it," and do it slowly. Then they don't have to worry about getting shot.
It's a dangerous job. Treat them with respect and you'll get it back.
Not saying you didn't treat them with respect Rockmanj, but if they thought you were who they were looking for, they weren't about to take any chances. Embarrassing for you, but none of them want to take the risk.
Black with dreadlocks (if im not mistaken this a hair style) isnt much of a description to handcuff someone that you already have with his hands on the car, so under control. Anyway things in your country are different so my point of view is quite biassed.
What I cant understand is why they stoped you a second time if they where informed about your first encounter. And if I were you I wouldnt make any file complain. Usually those things take forever to come to an end and in the end if things get serious you will have to face some angry cop that lives in your city that could know anything he wants about you, and even if most of them are very nice and hard working people a lot tend to like grudges, especially against some racial sectors.
The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom
Dude, hands on the car is not "under control". His back would be to them with the car obstructing the view of any officer facing him from the other side. Think how easy it would be for him to pull a gun from his waistband and turn it into a bad situation for the police.
The second time, while bs, is also understandable, since they were still looking for the guy. The 2nd stop might have been to double-check, or to be sure it wasn't a different guy the 2nd time. This kind of policing for the most part isn't what we're used to in the U.S., so it's shocking when we hear about it. But imagine if you were in Mexico or some other country with real corrupt police. Some locals would have found your body in a ditch.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
The thing is that: A: I was totally cooperative and passive B: it was clear by what I was wearing that I was not armed and C: restraining someone without probable cause is in violation of the 4th amendment. The 2nd stop made no sense...it felt like some ridiculous show of force. I contacted the district commander (who I have been communicating with about some community issues). Like I said, there was probable cause, but they kind of went about it unprofessionally. And I believe in the case of hands on the car...the officer is usually standing to the side of you, with their hands on their weapons (which both did even when i was cuffed).
Last edited by rockmanj; Fri, 08-26-2011 at 10:42 PM.
"Clear by what you were wearing" and "coming from my office" aren't jiving for me. Were you in a tank top, skin-tight shirt, or was your waist somehow exposed? Otherwise it wouldn't be hard to conceal a weapon.
Detaining (arrest or other longer term) someone without probable cause is unconstitutional, but restraining them is allowed.
Sorry if I'm not helping you to feel better about your shitty experience, but that really is what I'm trying to do. If you step back and realize it was nothing personal, just business, you'll feel better about it. Like Ryllharu said, if you match a description black/white/otherwise, you're going to get the 3rd degree. It's all in the name of crime control and public safety.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
No, it's not. And the other cop wouldn't be on the other side of the car. One cop to the side, one behind, so that if they needed to shoot, they wouldn't ever be in each other's line of fire. Especially if his palms were facing outward, the pose is such that you wouldn't make any drastically fast movements that could surprise the cops unless you were Chuck Norris or suffered a seizure.
Well, I admit that having received this sort of training in the army and being faced with possibly lethal threats in everyday work are two entirely different things. If I was a police officer in a crime infested city, I'd probably rather do too much than too little. It's much easier to talk about public relations and the public image from a high position behind a desk than face scumbags every day. Unfortunately it will still degrade the level of cooperation and trust gradually, no matter if people understand the reasoning.
I think if the cops had just sincerely apologized after realizing they made a mistake (it would take less than 5 seconds, literally) then rockmanj would not feel nearly as bad.
Peace.
Nah, no apology, just the order to "look out for other blacks". I think it would be pretty hard to conceal anything in a short sleeved polo shirt and slacks (ironically, the polo shirt said "Public Allies"). And yea, it probably is better to do too much than too little, but it just seemed a bit excessive when I clearly asked them what I could do to help and what the situation was. This has happened to me before a couple times, and the 1st time (I think i was like 16), they just grabbed me, drug me into some building, frisked me, and literally threw me out the door with no explanation. I suppose this was a little better...
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