new pc......

[Turkish-S]

Amd Athlon Xp 3000+ (100 E)

2x 512 pc 3200 ddr-ram (dual channel) (90 E)

Mobo with sound + network (50 E)

Ati radeon 9800 pro (100 E)

160 gb s-ata (70 E)

keybord mouse tower(100 E)

510 eury...

[Ero-Fan]

What is 510 euro in US currency?

[KoKo37]

Dollar to Euro curreny t(-.-t)

so one American dollar is worth 0.8464 Euros

i live in canada so im kinda still confused.. lol. Anyways i got no clue about comps though i can ask my dad or bro later today and see if its a good deal 4 u XD. ( less your buying or not buying it early today -.-" )

3])iT : or have you already bought it and wondering if you got ripped off?

[Assertn]

Why didn't you get an 64 bit cpu?

[Giboc]

The price seems fairly reasonable.

[Ero-Fan]

Would need more info on the motherboard and graphics card before I could say whether its a good price or not. But it looks like the ram is a rip-off. I found the same ram for 66.79 US (I think like 56.53 Euro)

[Turkish-S]

k some more info..
i still haven't bought it.. my friend is making it for me and he set up a list i posted above. (i also don't know shit about these things)
i asked it assertn.. he sais i don't need it . all software like windows e.a zijn 32 bit.. he sais.

[Ero-Fan]

I meant I needed more info on those pieces. Like for the vid card, is it agp or pci? is it 4x/8x or 2x/4x? What type of memory does it have? How much memory? Does it have a tv tuner? Does it have open GL? All this kinda stuff makes a huge difference in the price. For the motherboard I would need chipset, # of pci and ram slots, etc.
Edit: I built my own computer, and I love doing this kinda shit. I also built 3 of my friends' comps, my g/f's comp, and my mom/sis's comp. I kinda started building for other people as well, but only locally (I am one lazy fuck)
2nd Edit: What are you doing for the monitor? Also, how big is the power supply? Are you doing liquid or fan cooled?
3rd Edit: @ Assertn: Processor doesn't matter as much as ram/ graphics card, especially for gaming. Amd's are great processors, except when you start multi-taskin. Pentiums run better in that regard. But I agree, I would go with a 64 bit chip since it will allow you to go longer without needing to upgrade.

[Turkish-S]

k i asked so here it is:
agp 8x || pc 3200 2x 512 ram twinmos dual channel || Motherbord chipset nforce2 ultra 400 (best) || athlon xp 3000+ barton 512 l2 cache || 9800 pro 128 mb - 256 bit + tv-out || power 450 watt dual fan low noise || black case with window 3 fans 1 ultra-violet light 1 uv fan || keybord + mouse = black mouse = optical 800 dpi sharkoon || sharkoon headset with bassboost and mic. ||
hardisk: 160 gb s-ata 7200 rpm 16 mb cache

[Ero-Fan]

Well, in addition to my other post I found:
Graphics card: 104 US (88 Euro I think)
Processor winds up being 105 Euro
Motherboard is like 29~42 Euro (close to what you had)
HD is about 62 Euro.
These prices were from www.newegg.com. Not sure if they deliver to where you are, but its one of the cheaper places I use in the US (that I trust)
I'd go for a bigger power source for that many fans, specially if you plan on ever upgrading, better graphics cards need their own power cable anymore. Always can use more power [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Edit: I just read they only ship to the US and Puerto Rico. Those bastards, eh?

[Assertn]

If you plan on upgrading to any of the new OSes that microsoft plans to release real soon, then you'll wish you had a 64 bit processor. EVERYTHING that supports it runs extremely fast. I tried the Windows XP 64bit once. You'd be surprised how noticeable a difference there is between the load times of the 64 bit IE vs the 32 bit IE. And that's only a browser. Imagine load time differences between apps that actually take time to load. Don't knock it until you've seen it for yourself.
Everything's shifting to 64 bit, why not be ready for it? Besides, 64 bit AMDs aren't all that expensive (probably less than $200 now, haven't been keeping up though)

Ero-Fan: Getting a 64 bit cpu isn't just for the sake of a faster cpu. It means your whole system bus will be faster too.

You should also switch to PCI-E instead of AGP.

[Board of Command]

Originally posted by: Turkish-S
Amd Athlon Xp 3000+ (100 E)

Get the top Sempron or an Athlon 64. Trust me on this, the on-die memory controller makes a world of difference.

2x 512 pc 3200 ddr-ram (dual channel) (90 E)

There are better deals for 2x512 out there. Samsung PC3200 512 mb is probably the best bang for the buck in the budget line. It runs in dual channel fine and I haven't heard a single negative remark about it.

Mobo with sound + network (50 E)

Sempron 3100 + DFI Lanparty UT 250gb = best socket 754 combo
A64 3200 + DFI Lanparty UT nF4 Ultra-D = best socket 939 combo

Ati radeon 9800 pro (100 E)

I don't recommend a 9800 Pro in this day and age. Go for a 6800GS or X800GTO.

160 gb s-ata (70 E)

I'd go for Seagate or Western Digital for hard drive, but Maxtors are alright. 70 euros? meh I guess that's okay.

keybord mouse tower(100 E)

Forget the keyboard, mouse, and case, all that matters is the power supply. If that power supply is not made by Antec, Enermax, Fortron, OCZ, or Seasonic, you should seriously reconsider.

[Jaredster]

When is intel going to make a 64-bit processor? I'm not talking about Itanium 2, I'm talking about a real PC processor like AMDs.

[Assertn]

Maybe intel will just give up on the PC market altogether and switch to Mac.

[Ero-Fan]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
If you plan on upgrading to any of the new OSes that microsoft plans to release real soon, then you'll wish you had a 64 bit processor. EVERYTHING that supports it runs extremely fast. I tried the Windows XP 64bit once. You'd be surprised how noticeable a difference there is between the load times of the 64 bit IE vs the 32 bit IE. And that's only a browser. Imagine load time differences between apps that actually take time to load. Don't knock it until you've seen it for yourself.
Everything's shifting to 64 bit, why not be ready for it? Besides, 64 bit AMDs aren't all that expensive (probably less than $200 now, haven't been keeping up though)

Ero-Fan: Getting a 64 bit cpu isn't just for the sake of a faster cpu. It means your whole system bus will be faster too.

You should also switch to PCI-E instead of AGP.

@Assertn: I know, I have a 64 bit processor, but when it comes to gaming, my computer doesn't run all that much better than a computer with a 32 bit processor, everything else being equal. The gc and memory make a bigger improvement to gaming than anything else. Unless your doing alot of 3d rendering and stuff, it doesn't matter all that much.

Btw, I can't remember what its called: What is that test that some games have called that tests your computers performance?

[mage]

you don't buy 64bit cpu's in order to run 64bit apps, they work just fine with a 32bit OS as well. if you get a athlon64 3000, it will be much faster than a barton 3000.

[Board of Command]

Originally posted by: Jaredster
When is intel going to make a 64-bit processor? I'm not talking about Itanium 2, I'm talking about a real PC processor like AMDs.

They already have in the final generation of Pentium 4 Prescotts: EM64T.

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
@Assertn: I know, I have a 64 bit processor, but when it comes to gaming, my computer doesn't run all that much better than a computer with a 32 bit processor, everything else being equal. The gc and memory make a bigger improvement to gaming than anything else. Unless your doing alot of 3d rendering and stuff, it doesn't matter all that much.

The video card will only get you so far before your processor starts to bottleneck. Example: you don't pair a X850XT with a Barton 2500+. Like me, since you're already running an Athlon 64, you don't realize this because most likely your processor is not the bottleneck. In your case, video card matters much much more. However, this doesn't mean one should get a low-end, discontinued processor because that CAN and WILL bottleneck if he decides to upgrade from the 9800 Pro.

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
Btw, I can't remember what its called: What is that test that some games have called that tests your computers performance?

3DMark

Originally posted by: mage
you don't buy 64bit cpu's in order to run 64bit apps, they work just fine with a 32bit OS as well. if you get a athlon64 3000, it will be much faster than a barton 3000.

It won't just be much faster, its overall processing power absolutely rapes a Barton 3000. Like I said, it's all about the on-die memory controller that Athlon 64s and Semprons have. K8 processors isn't about 64-bit processing, it's about <u>substantial</u> upgrades to the K7 architecture. 64-bit processing is just an added bonus on the side. Even running 32-bit code, Athlon 64s destroy Pentium 4s in performance, due to the extreme shittiness of Pentium 4 and the superior overall design of the Athlon 64.

Myth: Athlon 64s are pointless unless you run 64-bit software.
Fact: Athlon 64s, or any K8 processor, wasn't designed to perform well only on 64-bit environments. They perform just as well on 32-bit environments, at least much better than Pentium 4 or Athlon XP.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Ero-Fan
@Assertn: I know, I have a 64 bit processor, but when it comes to gaming, my computer doesn't run all that much better than a computer with a 32 bit processor, everything else being equal. The gc and memory make a bigger improvement to gaming than anything else. Unless your doing alot of 3d rendering and stuff, it doesn't matter all that much.

That's mostly because the games you play aren't 64 bit yet =)

And although it has nothing to do with TS...I do, in fact, work on a fair share of 3d rendering and stuff.

[Ero-Fan]

Well, I should clarify, my point was a 64 bit processor would be wasted with that graphic card. Your talking about uping the price at least 2 to 3 hundered to get some decent use out of it. The most drastic (and easiest to see) changes in speed and performance come from heavy grapic-oriented apps. If your not gonna use the comp for gaming, shit tons of apps, or your on a tight budget, its not worth getting a 64 bit unless you plan on getting a higher end gc. Most apps we use (like word processors) can't go any faster anyways. I used to do a lot of 3d shit and cad work on my pc before i switched majors. I still would if I had a reason to do it anymore.
Edit: Personally, I like NVidia cards better than ATI, but thats mostly because I have games that clock better on NVidia's as well as have alot of programs that use openGL, which NVidia seems to be better at as well.

[mage]

9800 pros are CHEAP these days and are still very good cards. if you cant find money to get a better one, this is a good choice.

btw, you never listed a power supply. unless your case comes with one, you need one of those as well. even if your case does come with one, though, i wouldn't recommend using it.